Is it possible to overtrain on a PH???
- 02-12-2013, 03:14 PM
Is it possible to overtrain on a PH???
I am on my 5th week of a 6 week cycle of havoc 4 caps/day and Halo extreme 2 caps/day. I cant tell if I am overtraining or just get some sides from the supps. I feel tired throughout the day I get about 8-9 of sleep a night and wake up not feeling rested.
7 years of lifting
My training regimen
Mondays: BJJ (1 hr), back and bi's (1-1.5 hrs), 15 min interval cardio, core (15 min)
Tuesdays: Wrestling (1 hr), boxing(1 hr), Chest tri's (45 min), abs(15 min)
Wednesdays: BJJ(1 hr), legs(30), 15 min interval cardio
Thursdays: Wrestling (1 hr), boxing(1 hr), shoulders(30 min), core (15 min)
Fridays: Back and bi's(1.5 hrs), interval cardio (15 min) abs, (15 min)
Saturdays: Chest, Tri's, and legs (1.75 hrs), 1.5 mile run
I am on a solid diet
Fats: 78 g
Carbs: 285 g
Protein: 250 g
I am eating all lean meats non processed, whole wheat carbs, fats are coming from dairy, nuts, and seeds. I have a cheat day on fridays
- 02-12-2013, 04:41 PM
- 02-12-2013, 04:59 PM
I would think a combination of both. I would continuously increase calories every week maybe just a small amount (around 100-200),
The side effect of being tired is quite common on a ph or any steroid for that matter when test is not being supplemented with it. It's part of being partially or fully shutdown.
02-12-2013, 05:13 PM
My goal is to get in great shape and get cut. The numbers i use were given to me by a program in order to loose fat and maintain muscle
02-12-2013, 05:16 PM
02-12-2013, 05:21 PM
02-12-2013, 05:24 PM
02-12-2013, 05:26 PM
02-12-2013, 05:27 PM
With that level fo activity, at least 4000kcals/day would be much better for your performance. That's about what my maintenance was and I was ~20lbs lighter than you at the time.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
02-12-2013, 05:33 PM
02-12-2013, 05:34 PM
02-12-2013, 05:40 PM
Thanks everybody I really appreciate it. I know I'm coming off as a dumbass but all my life i played football and its been lift big eat big. Now that I am done I wanted to get in really good shape and just went off what I have read through 100s of different of articles about getting cut. So I appreciate the help and the patience with me
02-12-2013, 05:43 PM
With 400kcals cut, you could potentially be in a 2800 calorie diet deficit with just diet adjustment alone. Just do that long enough, say 12 weeks, you could burn nearly 10lbs of boyd weight off with a majority being fat. Just a thought.
02-12-2013, 05:49 PM
i weight ~same as you, my energy expenditure is nowhere near yours, and i train with bodycomp/low bf% goals always in mind..my average daily intake is 4k cals (yesterday i had 4500)
sure metabolism plays a part, but now you are getting a sense of the massive undereating you have been doing
you can get away with that for a little while; long-term, it will catch up with you
02-12-2013, 05:54 PM
02-12-2013, 06:10 PM
Last question. So adding in these extra calories should I gradually add them up or starting tomorrow should I consume 4000 a day
02-12-2013, 06:13 PM
02-13-2013, 09:35 AM
I agree with all of the above. If you're waking up tired then I posit that your recovery is hampered due to the sheer stress put on your body by the combination of your training volume and calorie deficit. I stupidly thought the same thing last year. I trained with a heavy training volume whilst on epistane on a severe calorie deficit thinking that the PH would compensate. But it didn't. Over the course of 2 months my symptoms worsened until I started suffering from constant fatigue, insommnia and anxiety. It took me 6-9 months to fully recover with a period of 2-3 months out of the gym completely. Listen to your body.
02-13-2013, 02:02 PM
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