SD Alternatives??

[aznole]

Hi all, long time lurker and reader and looking for some solid advice on Superdrol Alternatives (clones)

I've ran SD four times with great results and most recently finished a pulsed 9 week run of LGI SD-10 in Jan 2012. Kept 95% of my gains
34 5.10" 220lbs 12% BF

It's getting to be that time again and well ... we all know much of the SD clones are gone ....

So my question of the guru's here ... what is a viable SD alternative? Looking to put on some mass and lean out a bit which always happened with SD.

Was looking at M-Stane and then read here that they seemed to have changed the formula to that of ultradrol

Thanks in advance

[Gerbil]

There is this thing called testosterone its great fun, also much nicer on the liver. Also instead of ED it can give you a higher libido. Also you can run it for longer than superdrol and gain more muscle. All in all great stuff.

[fueledpassion]

There is this thing called testosterone its great fun, also much nicer on the liver. Also instead of ED it can give you a higher libido. Also you can run it for longer than superdrol and gain more muscle. All in all great stuff.

I would go as far to say that you could run test indefinitely, at least in lower dosages like 200-300mg per week. Heck, when it's test only, we're talking 12,16 & 20 weeks with minimal sides to deal with if handled properly.

[Gerbil]

I would go as far to say that you could run test indefinitely, at least in lower dosages like 200-300mg per week. Heck, when it's test only, we're talking 12,16 & 20 weeks with minimal sides to deal with if handled properly.

I like the concept of having working testes till I am 35. (I would like the option to pass my sexy ass genes). If I didn't want the possibility of children I would cruise in a heartbeat.

[aznole]

Libido has never been an issue for me during pulsed cycles ... add in copious amounts of DAA and various other libido enhancing supplements and I remain like an 18 yr old through out ... After watching a close friend contract MRSA from a pin and nearly die ... I'll stick with orals ... I'd like to live to enjoy my libido ...

but thanks for the wise ass remarks

other suggestions welcome

[Gerbil]

Libido has never been an issue for me during pulsed cycles ... add in copious amounts of DAA and various other libido enhancing supplements and I remain like an 18 yr old through out ... After watching a close friend contract MRSA from a pin and nearly die ... I'll stick with orals ... I'd like to live to enjoy my libido ...

but thanks for the wise ass remarks

other suggestions welcome

Sounds like your friend needs to learn a thing or two about sterile technique.

[BlackGT99]

No respect around here

[aznole]

No respect around here

reppage ... some people just need more hugs ... and life experience away from the keyboard

[00S4Boy]

Well the most direct replacement seems to be Methylstenbolone either as Ultradrol(formerly Anteaus Labs now Elite Formulations), or IronMagLabs M-Sten RX. You could always go the DMZ route which is 2 SD molecules with an azine bond, LGI seems to be good to go for DMZ. You could also hold tight because PHF's new sister company Celtic Labs might be popping out a 7a methyl Dianabol, I believe it was a 2a Cyano Phera, and a possible prohormone to superdrol.

[aznole]

Well the most direct replacement seems to be Methylstenbolone either as Ultradrol(formerly Anteaus Labs now Elite Formulations), or IronMagLabs M-Sten RX. You could always go the DMZ route which is 2 SD molecules with an azine bond, LGI seems to be good to go for DMZ. You could also hold tight because PHF's new sister company Celtic Labs might be popping out a 7a methyl Dianabol, I believe it was a 2a Cyano Phera, and a possible prohormone to superdrol.

Thanks OOS4 ... I had read about the Celtic Labs product last week and figured by the time it came out and people used it ... then there would be some logs and feedback I'd be about ready for another run

I am kinda leaning towards DMZ ... I like LGI as a company ... reading logs now as to some possible stacking suitors

[Gerbil]

DMZ does not act exactly like sdrol. Just a heads up.

[Superman_777]

Sd was good when I ran it, but I think most of the clones are underdosed..i dont mess with ph's anymore, the gains to sides ratio arent worth it. Juice is better brah.

[fueledpassion]

I like the concept of having working testes till I am 35. (I would like the option to pass my sexy ass genes). If I didn't want the possibility of children I would cruise in a heartbeat.

For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.

[xerbia]

It's still out there, and there are many UGs that make their own. Just look around a bit more

[OnionKnight]

It's still out there, and there are many UGs that make their own. Just look around a bit more

lol it sure is. m1t is out there too if you know where to go. the best ones dont just disapear

[R1187]

For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.

I've got to get my hands on some masteron some time.

Seems like such a badass drug.

[R1187]

For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.

How difficult do you feel it is to get a doctor to write you a script for enough test to cruise at 300 a week?

I mean obviously you found one, but is it really that easy?

300mg/wk is well above a TRT dosage, so if I asked my doctor about it, do you think he'd just assume I was treating him as a drug dealer and looking for him to prescribe me steroids?

[goat23]

There is nothing out there atm keep a eye on mr supps making beastdrol version 2.0 now they will find a way lol

[goat23]

Orally no nothing out there atm,watch me supps they are making beastdrol v 2.0 now bet they will find a way

[fueledpassion]

How difficult do you feel it is to get a doctor to write you a script for enough test to cruise at 300 a week?

I mean obviously you found one, but is it really that easy?

300mg/wk is well above a TRT dosage, so if I asked my doctor about it, do you think he'd just assume I was treating him as a drug dealer and looking for him to prescribe me steroids?

200mg is common place. And quite honestly, if you run it indefinitely, after about 12-15 weeks it all becomes hard to identify a difference. At that point you've loaded up so much in the blood it could very well feel like 500mg does at week 5 or 6 of a cycle. Our docs in this area focus less on the amount per week and more on sustained, elevated blood levels. Usually, they let you clear it for about 10 days and then give you a blood test with results coming back in the 700-1000 range then go back to the once a week amount. They base it on how you feel as opposed to drawing a line in the sand on dosage. If you feel good and your vitals are within normal ranges, they will continue to dose you at that level, whatever it is. It is a very subjective thing. The only extra protocol they take is in keeping your hemoglobin levels at bay by drawing your blood every 6 weeks or so. Granted, the place of business I am referring to makes all of their income on TRT patients. It is their focal point in the industry.

I know of some that have given patients as much as 300mg, and in one case, 400mg/week sustained. They aren't afraid of it I suppose because they are convinced that the long term effects are all the same between 200mg and 400mg per week. I tend to believe it myself since when you run any dose whether it is TRT levels or 1000mg/week, by the time you hit week 8 or 10, you are already 100% shutdown regardless of dosage. The key is HCG, and they offer that remedy while on TRT as well.