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    ok my plan is start my cycle in february, i want to ry to keep my gains as lean and dry as possible, except post cycle when the goal will be purely to keep gains.

    weeks 1-12 EQ 500mg/week
    weeks 1-10 enanthate 250mg/week
    weeks 1-3 m1t 25mg/day (i may replace this with 4 weeks of transdermal 1-test)
    weeks 11-15 either winstrol 25-50mg/day or MDHT 100mg/day

    PCT weeks 16-19
    kre-alyn creatine, l-taurine, tribulus taken daily
    week 16 nolv 40mg/day dbol 10mg/day upon waking
    week 17 nolv 30mg/day dbol 10mg/day upon waking
    week 18 nolv 20mg/day clen daily (my dose changes every time i use it based upon how i feel)
    week 19 nolv 10mg/day clen daily

    Supps taken during cycle are NAC, Milk thistle, muti vitamin, glucosamine and chonodroitin daily.

    How does this cycle look? I dont want to raise the level of test in there. I dont want to really have a test based cycle, im just including it at a low dose to reap many of the benefits from it, ie. sex drive, energy and amazing anti-catabolic effect. Also, what would you guys go with MDHT or winstrol? Thanks

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    I wouldn't throw any M1T in there, I don't think It's necessary and you will be at the point of diminishing returns.

    Also I would add some arimidex @.25 grams or .5 grams ED for water retention (I assume that is what you mean by staying dry?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifter6920
    I wouldn't throw any M1T in there, I don't think It's necessary and you will be at the point of diminishing returns.

    Also I would add some arimidex @.25 grams or .5 grams ED for water retention (I assume that is what you mean by staying dry?)

    Drop the D Bol off the end of your cyle.
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    250mg test a week, am I reading that right? You definetly need more than that. Atleast 400mg a week. And if your worried about bloat run more arimidex.
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    I completely forgot to write that in, but its there.
    L-dex @ .25mg/day weeks 1-12 ( at .5mg/day it starts making my joints sore).
    With the goals of this cycle being to lean up, dry out and only gain about 8 lbs, I dont see a need to go above 250mg of test per week, the body produces 75mg/ week naturally. I've done past cycles and bloat very quickly from test, so i want to keep the dose low. If Iwanted more mass from this there would definately more test in there though
    Also, I want something to jumpstart this cycle, so what should I used instead of M1t or trans 1-test. I dont want to use M1,4 or dbol because of the water retention they cause.
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    Also why do you say drop the dbol in the am??? its not suppossed to suppress you that much when taken in the upon waking in doses no more than 10mg. This is because this just adds to the bodys natural test production in the morning.
    Ive done this for past cycles and felt it was much easier comming off.
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    That last statment has never been proven CB.. sorry.. I don't think it would matter on the timing.. suppression is suppression..
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    Also why do you say drop the dbol in the am??? its not suppossed to suppress you that much when taken in the upon waking in doses no more than 10mg. This is because this just adds to the bodys natural test production in the morning.
    Ive done this for past cycles and felt it was much easier comming off.
    Umm...the bodies highest concentrations of testosterone along with LH and GH is a couple hours into REM sleep, not in the morning.

    This is a complete myth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    That last statment has never been proven CB.. sorry.. I don't think it would matter on the timing.. suppression is suppression..
    this post can be found on steroidology.com, massmonsterz.com and others.
    what is your take on it?
    also i find using the dbol in the manner i have above to provide an amazing psychological and physical edge when on PCT.


    I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
    bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
    First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

    Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
    to RECOVER.

    Ok, now having said that.
    Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
    brand name Dianabol.

    10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
    by 50-70%.

    The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
    its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
    benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
    its androgenic mode of action.
    Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
    function, thus STRENGTH.

    OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
    dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

    When are testosterone levels highest?

    Answer: In the AM, thats when.

    Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
    This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

    When are Insulin levels lowest?

    Answer: In the AM thats when.

    Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
    (Also fat, but protein is also being converted
    to glucose via glucogenesis)

    OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
    (Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

    Lets take Subject X.

    He's in bridging mode.
    He has just woken up.
    The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
    creating a spike.
    His insulin levels are low.
    His LH and test levels are very low.



    He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

    Here is where things get interesting.

    The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
    spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
    released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

    The body will be partially fooled.
    It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
    (above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
    REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

    In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
    thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

    Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
    RECOVER over time.
    Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
    in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

    HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

    You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
    for this bridge to work!!!!

    Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

    10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
    (Probably less)

    5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
    in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
    LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

    Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
    testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
    thus not allowing LH function to recover.

    Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

    The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
    between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

    So, here's the scenario summed up:

    Beginning: LOW LH and test.

    Adding the 10mgs dball.

    LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
    testosterone levels are kept at a level which
    will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
    will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
    reduction)

    This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
    INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
    catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

    The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
    I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
    complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
    of the way there but the only way you're going
    to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
    completely.
    Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
    (In case anybody is wondering.)
    The difference is that with anavar you can take it
    throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
    once in the AM.

    Hope that clears the air.

    Fonz
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    DO you want me to completely butcher this point by point or should I just copy and paste the response?
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    You can butcher or just post a link
    either way im willing to learn
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    Ok. I guess have the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    this post can be found on steroidology.com, massmonsterz.com and others.
    what is your take on it?
    also i find using the dbol in the manner i have above to provide an amazing psychological and physical edge when on PCT.


    .

    10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
    by 50-70%.

    The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
    its VERY anti-catabolic.


    When are testosterone levels highest?

    Answer: In the AM, thats when.

    Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
    This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

    When are Insulin levels lowest?

    Answer: In the AM thats when.

    Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
    (Also fat, but protein is also being converted
    to glucose via glucogenesis)

    OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
    (Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

    Lets take Subject X.



    He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

    Here is where things get interesting.

    The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
    spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
    released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

    The body will be partially fooled.
    It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
    (above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
    REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

    In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
    thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

    Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
    RECOVER over time.
    Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
    in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

    HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

    You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
    for this bridge to work!!!!

    Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

    10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
    (Probably less)

    5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
    in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
    LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

    Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
    testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
    thus not allowing LH function to recover.

    Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

    The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
    between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

    So, here's the scenario summed up:

    Beginning: LOW LH and test.

    Adding the 10mgs dball.

    LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
    testosterone levels are kept at a level which
    will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
    will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
    reduction)

    This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
    INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
    catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

    The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
    I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
    complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
    of the way there but the only way you're going
    to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
    completely.
    Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
    (In case anybody is wondering.)
    The difference is that with anavar you can take it
    throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
    once in the AM.

    Hope that clears the air.

    Fonz
    1. Dbol doens't raise testosterone, ever, in any amount. It LOWERS testosterone. That is the first statement you should look at and then realize Fonz is full of ****.

    2. Dbol good for a bridge because its anti-catabolic? Of course it is, its an ANDROGEN. Androgens suppress and in dbol's case its metabolite, 17-methyl E2 is more suppressive than Dbol itself. Brilliant Fonz.

    3. Testosterone levels are highest in the middle of the night that corresponds with e high LH pulse. Its not in the morning. Basic physiology.

    4. Insulin is the lowest in the morning. Want to eleviate that? EAT.

    5. You can't "piggy back" a testosterone release. The idea is ridiculous.

    6. Dbol's half-life is short but its metabolites are not and its binding times to receptors are not. In other words, it suppressed throughouth the day and for much longer than just what the half-life is.

    7. LH pulses are not restored when there is exogenous androgens are present.


    Now if you want the studies to back up those statements I can but there are clearly GIGANTIC holes in his theroy because he is simply clueless.

    That was the short version.
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    Should have know it was Fonz's post that to blame for this..
    Moving this to anabolics
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    I completely forgot to write that in, but its there.
    L-dex @ .25mg/day weeks 1-12 ( at .5mg/day it starts making my joints sore).
    With the goals of this cycle being to lean up, dry out and only gain about 8 lbs, I dont see a need to go above 250mg of test per week, the body produces 75mg/ week naturally. I've done past cycles and bloat very quickly from test, so i want to keep the dose low. If Iwanted more mass from this there would definately more test in there though
    Also, I want something to jumpstart this cycle, so what should I used instead of M1t or trans 1-test. I dont want to use M1,4 or dbol because of the water retention they cause.
    Actually, because I see this damned myth reported over and over and it's just NOT true. 300mg of testosterone injected weekly raised test levels in normal men to about 1200, which is within the normal range for a pubescent male, and about 30% higher than the upper limit of normal for adult males.

    Raise your damned dose or don't bother shutting yourself down... If you can do it on that dose you can do it naturally.
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    1) please post this study as i would like to see it
    2) last time i checked, and looked at myself in the mirror, I had long past puberty
    3) If i can attain naturally what the avg person would on 500mg/week of EQ, 250mg/week of test and 350mg/week of winstrol. Then I would probably be on my way to the Olympia or atleast the night of the champions, especially with the aid of any gear.
    4) Ive done many cycles with higher levels of test, and as stated above im keeping it that low for indicated reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    Actually, because I see this damned myth reported over and over and it's just NOT true. 300mg of testosterone injected weekly raised test levels in normal men to about 1200, which is within the normal range for a pubescent male, and about 30% higher than the upper limit of normal for adult males.

    Raise your damned dose or don't bother shutting yourself down... If you can do it on that dose you can do it naturally.
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    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men.

    Bhasin S, Woodhouse L, Casaburi R, Singh AB, Bhasin D, Berman N, Chen X, Yarasheski KE, Magliano L, Dzekov C, Dzekov J, Bross R, Phillips J, Sinha-Hikim I, Shen R, Storer TW.

    Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.


    500mg/week of EQ for a lot of people will hardly do jack. You are going to shut yourself down nicely doing 15 weeks of gear, spend a fair amount of money, and you're going to end up a few pounds leaner and probably less than 10lbs bigger after pct is all said and done. At those doses the biggest effect is going to be the body composition of the weight you put on compared with someone who is natural and eating/training hard.

    Bump the test and use a damned aromitase inhibitor man... Or use a low dose of tren to get some efficacy in there.
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    exnihilo, thanks for the article.
    I have arimidex in there at .25mg/day already. My best cycle ever was with tren. However, i really hate the way it makes me feel. I become a complete prick while on it, I'm normally a nice guy, so I now just think its better for me to avoid. Also i get extremely depressed during the PCT of cycles with tren included in them.
    But by the time i start this cycle i will weigh in at about 170-175lbs at 12% bf 5' 6". By the end of it I would like weigh in at between 175-180 at 6% B.F. So i want to drop more than 10 pounds of fat while gaining muscle. The test is really there, because like you said i am shutting myself down, so i included it for psychological benefits (better workouts), prevent my sex driving from being thwarted, to increase my energy while on, and to prevent the anxiety more commonly caused from using EQ alone. Also i bloat from the slightest amount of test.
    Under these circumstances what should i do?
    BTW, i i think i decided on (but open to all suggestions)
    test 1-10 250mg/week
    EQ 1-12 600mg/week
    mdht 1-4 100mg/day
    winstrol 11-15 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day weeks 1-12
    ( I still cant decide, on what do definately do about PCT, and i will probably use hcg as well)
    Thankyou for all your help so far.
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    still looks a little funky to me. eq running two weeks past test? generally, it's the other way around, eq stopping two weeks before test stops.

    and i'm with these guys on bumping the test up. test should be the highest dose in all cycles IMO, or at least equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    exnihilo, thanks for the article.
    I have arimidex in there at .25mg/day already. My best cycle ever was with tren. However, i really hate the way it makes me feel. I become a complete prick while on it, I'm normally a nice guy, so I now just think its better for me to avoid. Also i get extremely depressed during the PCT of cycles with tren included in them.
    But by the time i start this cycle i will weigh in at about 170-175lbs at 12% bf 5' 6". By the end of it I would like weigh in at between 175-180 at 6% B.F. So i want to drop more than 10 pounds of fat while gaining muscle. The test is really there, because like you said i am shutting myself down, so i included it for psychological benefits (better workouts), prevent my sex driving from being thwarted, to increase my energy while on, and to prevent the anxiety more commonly caused from using EQ alone. Also i bloat from the slightest amount of test.
    Under these circumstances what should i do?
    BTW, i i think i decided on (but open to all suggestions)
    test 1-10 250mg/week
    EQ 1-12 600mg/week
    mdht 1-4 100mg/day
    winstrol 11-15 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day weeks 1-12
    ( I still cant decide, on what do definately do about PCT, and i will probably use hcg as well)
    Thankyou for all your help so far.
    Well, given your stated goals, you'd be best served ditching the mdht, and running tren at maybe 50-75mg eod, whatever you can handle. Barring that, I'd say save some money and run r3-igf1 starting two weeks after your last shot perhaps 40-50mcg/day... that will do what you want. Honestly I wouldn't run eq out past the test, test alone takes like 3 weeks to clear and get recovery going, and eq is worse than that. Again, bump on the test, 500 is really what I'd advise for good results but even bumping it to 400 would be beneficial. For sure, check out swale's hcg protocol, it's good stuff.

    I don't think anyone is really going to tell you what you want to hear bro, you've kind of set yourself up for that though.
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    ive followed swales protocol before and liked it alot, im going to use that method again.
    Also i know that EQ takes 21 days to clear the system, the undeconate ester, however, i find that running it under 12 weeks isnt as beneficial, since it doesnt really kick in for me till around week 6, plus i want to shed off any water from the test prior to my pct, i want to appear rock solid for a few weeks
    I'll probably bump the test to 400mg/week despite my reluctance. As far as the tren, Im not going to take a chance running it again. I already have everything mentioned, so i dont have to go out and buy the mdht, is it still a waste? or does it have its benefits? I would like something to jump start the cycle since enanthate and especially EQ take a while to kick in. What should i use if not mdht or tren?
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    Well, if you already have the MDHT I suppose you might as well use it, but if you're going to put your liver under distress I'd use something that is actually really beneficial, like winstrol.
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    i have the mdht just sitting here. Im really leaning towards going out and buying some trans 1-test for my first four weeks.
    or i may just drop the EQ, working it in is just a pain in the ass,its the one thing i dont yet have, and it is an expensive anabolic for what it does IMO. Im considering trying tren again at 75mg EOD(although this probably will not occur). So what im definately including as of now is:
    test 1-10 500mg/week
    winny 7-12 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day
    EQ is being dropped because it takes so long to be effective, from past experiences i find it works best when ran about 16 weeks. I want something else in there as a very dry anabolic but do not know what to include.
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    ok, that's starting to look more normal I'd say nandrolone phenylpropionate would work well (500mg/week would be plenty), that kicks in pretty quickly. Either that or tren ace, which would be the way to go if you can hang with it man.
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    Durabolin is not for me,last time i tried it i bloated up so bad that at 5' 6" tall i looked like the stout and portly monopoly man

    ive been off all hormones for a long time so my receptors are pretty clean, do you think a very small dose of tren like 50mg or even 37.5mg EOD would be effective. BTW, if i decide to use the fina, I would want to run it at the lowest possible effective dose for the length of the cycle all 12 weeks. Nothing hardens one up like a long cycle of tren, especially when winny is included.
    Also thanks for all your time, its greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    i have the mdht just sitting here. Im really leaning towards going out and buying some trans 1-test for my first four weeks.
    or i may just drop the EQ, working it in is just a pain in the ass,its the one thing i dont yet have, and it is an expensive anabolic for what it does IMO. Im considering trying tren again at 75mg EOD(although this probably will not occur). So what im definately including as of now is:
    test 1-10 500mg/week
    winny 7-12 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day
    EQ is being dropped because it takes so long to be effective, from past experiences i find it works best when ran about 16 weeks. I want something else in there as a very dry anabolic but do not know what to include.
    yup, that makes more sense. as for tren, the lowest dose i've heard of was 75mg EOD from the fina pellet conversion. not to confuse things, but if you're going to do fina for 12 weeks, i'd go with tren enan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    i have the mdht just sitting here. Im really leaning towards going out and buying some trans 1-test for my first four weeks.
    or i may just drop the EQ, working it in is just a pain in the ass,its the one thing i dont yet have, and it is an expensive anabolic for what it does IMO. Im considering trying tren again at 75mg EOD(although this probably will not occur). So what im definately including as of now is:
    test 1-10 500mg/week
    winny 7-12 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day
    EQ is being dropped because it takes so long to be effective, from past experiences i find it works best when ran about 16 weeks. I want something else in there as a very dry anabolic but do not know what to include.

    Your initial cycle was a poor choice of compounds and dosages. It was a wise decision to alter it. I do not advocate massive dosages but I do believe it is necessary to use effective dosages.

    The cycle now is ok. Adding tren would help add some additional lbm but is not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbicept
    Also why do you say drop the dbol in the am??? its not suppossed to suppress you that much when taken in the upon waking in doses no more than 10mg. This is because this just adds to the bodys natural test production in the morning.
    Ive done this for past cycles and felt it was much easier comming off.
    This is completely FALSE. I am glad Bobo answered it b/c I grow tired of reading this delusion.
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