Question for those who cruise.
- 02-02-2013, 04:39 PM
Question for those who cruise.
When you make the decision to cruise, is it a safe assumption you will HAVE to be on TRT, whenever you do decide to come off the "gear"?
Could you cruise for a few years, come off, and ever hope to recover on your own?
The idea of cruising intrigues me, but I see it as a major decision as it basically means being dependent on drugs and injections indefinitely.
- 02-02-2013, 04:42 PM
02-02-2013, 04:54 PM
Also, my first experience with test will be in about a month when I do a 12 week cycle.
I'll be coming off, doing the whole PCT thing, and see how much I can actually retain.
Only thing is I may or may not want to get into competing some day, and I feel that to be successful cruising is basically mandatory.
02-02-2013, 04:56 PM
Once you go into truly competing you go quite a bit farther than just cruising you are also probably going to have to go the route of slin and hgh. At a high level of bodybuilding you would be amazed at how much pinning they are doing.
02-02-2013, 05:00 PM
02-02-2013, 05:04 PM
02-02-2013, 05:07 PM
02-02-2013, 05:08 PM
02-02-2013, 05:11 PM
That first test cycle should give you are really good base to spring off of. You are already rather lean you just need mass. I am pretty sure I dont have to go over diet with you which is 100x better than 90% of the people who want to start test.
02-02-2013, 05:12 PM
02-02-2013, 05:16 PM
Also, I don't consider myself an expert on dieting; it's just that I never seem to gain much fat. Currently on 5000 calories with a ton of carbs and even then the weight gain is very slow going.
I have never in my life done or considered a cut, lol. I hope the test cycle puts me near 200. I would love to finally do a cut, maybe walk around 185 @ 8%.
02-02-2013, 08:37 PM
02-02-2013, 09:34 PM
02-02-2013, 09:39 PM
TBH if one is going to use gear i have no clue why you would PCT, I mean gear makes you feel AMAZING, did i say AMAZING!!
02-02-2013, 09:50 PM
02-02-2013, 09:52 PM
02-02-2013, 10:16 PM
02-02-2013, 10:18 PM
02-02-2013, 10:35 PM
The only kind of pct for trt I can really think of would be.
Running HCG/HMG to revive your testes, Then one blast of Triptorelin (the stuff I was referring to), then a long and steady clomid intake.
I will get you the research papers that support my theory once I get back from the gym. Note it will be all of their effects on their own not them together.
02-03-2013, 12:32 AM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10969915 we are concerned about the paradoxical results.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16422830 for the clomid
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3099447 for the hcg/hmg (looking for a better article with higher group of patients
I will keep you posted on if I find anymore articles which will happen soon when I have more time.
02-03-2013, 03:01 AM
So it's like a shot of adrenalin to your nuts (to put it simple an blunt) or a jump start? A one dose deal then follow through with pct? Sorry to try and re word things , I understand basically but have to put things a certain way in order to fully file it away in my noodle
02-03-2013, 03:04 AM
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02-03-2013, 08:40 AM
02-03-2013, 09:59 AM
02-10-2013, 10:02 AM
So I've been thinking about this a lot lately.
How safe is 250mg/wk indefinitely?
I understand that under a doctors supervision it's entirely managable, but it might be a while yet before I get health insurance.
If I take every precaution possible (monitoring BP, donating blood, etc) do you think a self-supervised regimen of 250mg/wk is permissable?
I know without doctor/bloodwork it's all a crap shoot, I'm just asking if that kind of dosage adminstered long term is something that could cause a severe problem.
02-10-2013, 10:13 AM
02-10-2013, 10:28 AM
doing 250 a week means nothing. For long term TRT you need to keep the testosterone levels within range which is just below 1000. I would recomend blood work to get to that point then just cruise. Dose may not be 250, it could be 100, 150, 175, 200 it all depends.
02-10-2013, 10:31 AM
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