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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    You guys are failing to see the health risks that are below the surface of his strength and physique.

    Testosterone can/will increase RBC and hematocrit even at clinical TRT levels. EQ shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production. This thickens blood, increases blood pressure and other cardiovascular risks associated.

    The idea of "cruising" on these at 300mg each without keeping a good close look at you bloods is a health risk IMHO. Then again I no longer have the mental defect associated with youth or immaturity that results in the belief that I am invincible.

    Just some food for thought.
    I'm glad to see you bringing this point up. I wish I had seen more discussed and stressed on that topic before I had my issue so I would have taken the steps to avoid it. Bottom line it was my fault but I think that should be a higher concern first and foremost then the more common issues adressed. You can fix gyno or shrunken nuts but you can't do any of that if your dead from heart attack or stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    I'm glad to see you bringing this point up. I wish I had seen more discussed and stressed on that topic before I had my issue so I would have taken the steps to avoid it. Bottom line it was my fault but I think that should be a higher concern first and foremost then the more common issues adressed. You can fix gyno or shrunken nuts but you can't do any of that if your dead from heart attack or stroke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    What happened to you?? If you don't mind what was your situation??

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    I feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I bring it up but I guess if it can bring awareness and helps its a good thing to talk about. I was about 9 weeks in on a 500mg a week test e cycle and had a heart attack. My heart was having trouble pumping my blood because it was like molasses ( to quote my cardiologist). A situation as a result of exactly what mr Dunn was addressing but more common with TRT patients rather then standard cycles. Not sure if this had part in it but a few days prior I had started low dosing my AI eod because I thought I hit a wall I felt and thought maybe my estro was high so figured it couldn't hurt to low dose and test the waters. I remeber BP went up upon dosing my AI but I didn't pay much attention. I didn't really think It much a concern at the time seeing as I never read much concerning heart issues with such a cycle. I'd never had issues before and had no reason for immediate concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    I feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I bring it up but I guess if it can bring awareness and helps its a good thing to talk about. I was about 9 weeks in on a 500mg a week test e cycle and had a heart attack. My heart was having trouble pumping my blood because it was like molasses ( to quote my cardiologist). A situation as a result of exactly what mr Dunn was addressing but more common with TRT patients rather then standard cycles. Not sure if this had part in it but a few days prior I had started low dosing my AI eod because I thought I hit a wall I felt and thought maybe my estro was high so figured it couldn't hurt to low dose and test the waters. I remeber BP went up upon dosing my AI but I didn't pay much attention. I didn't really think It much a concern at the time seeing as I never read much concerning heart issues with such a cycle. I'd never had issues before and had no reason for immediate concern.

    Do you think your situation was an isolated case? Was this something your cardiologist has seen before ? Anything you think you could have done to prevent it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    I feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I bring it up but I guess if it can bring awareness and helps its a good thing to talk about. I was about 9 weeks in on a 500mg a week test e cycle and had a heart attack. My heart was having trouble pumping my blood because it was like molasses ( to quote my cardiologist). A situation as a result of exactly what mr Dunn was addressing but more common with TRT patients rather then standard cycles. Not sure if this had part in it but a few days prior I had started low dosing my AI eod because I thought I hit a wall I felt and thought maybe my estro was high so figured it couldn't hurt to low dose and test the waters. I remeber BP went up upon dosing my AI but I didn't pay much attention. I didn't really think It much a concern at the time seeing as I never read much concerning heart issues with such a cycle. I'd never had issues before and had no reason for immediate concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post

    Do you think your situation was an isolated case? Was this something your cardiologist has seen before ? Anything you think you could have done to prevent it?
    My cardiologist was clueless as far as what test can do to trigger such an occurance. He actually told me he didnt think the testosterone played a roll after giving me a run down of the diagnosis. He was very smug in his assesment. My treatment was not good there and I'm not sure if it was cus he was an ass hole which he was or he didn't care to give me his full attention because I was uninsured. There's plenty I could have done to avoid the situation but I was under informed. I understood the basics of what I was doing . My plan was in line and working great. I just didn't expect the unexpected. Getting bloods and/or donating blood before and while on regularly could have most likely deterred ther situation is what Ive gathered from the stuff I've found on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    OMG, I just **** my pants!! No cruising for me.
    Mind you I was not cruising . I was on a 12 week test cycle. Nothing compared to what alot of guys take on. Just goes to show how important monitoring your blood is while on. Crazy stuff can happen , most the time for most it doesn't buy you don't wanna be that odd occurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    I'm glad to see you bringing this point up. I wish I had seen more discussed and stressed on that topic before I had my issue so I would have taken the steps to avoid it. Bottom line it was my fault but I think that should be a higher concern first and foremost then the more common issues adressed. You can fix gyno or shrunken nuts but you can't do any of that if your dead from heart attack or stroke.
    Your experience is what I had in mind when cautioning these guys. You are evidence to support my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    Mind you I was not cruising . I was on a 12 week test cycle. Nothing compared to what alot of guys take on. Just goes to show how important monitoring your blood is while on. Crazy stuff can happen , most the time for most it doesn't buy you don't wanna be that odd occurance.
    What was your bp? Mine right now is 124/74
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    What was your bp? Mine right now is 124/74
    Oh I don't remember my BP at the time. I remember when it happened my resting heart rate was around 130bpm while I was under observation for 12 hours then they decided to do a cardio cath after my bloodwork showed signs of a heart attack. No blockages no stints. I honestly feel had they researched more on what I was taking and the possible sides that the cardio cath could have been avoided seeing it ended up being not needed. I received some of my bloodwork info later. My LDL 49, HDL 25 , triglycerides 79. I was not told anything else about my bloodwork that lead them to believe I was having a heart attack other then my blood was pumping thru my heart like molasses. Looking back you think since I was under observation for 12 hours and having blood drawn every hour and tested that they would have tried a blood thinner first. I had and have a strong feeling my case was not handled in the most effective or professional way. You'd be amazed how different you are treated when you have insurance opposed to when you don't .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    Oh I don't remember my BP at the time. I remember when it happened my resting heart rate was around 130bpm while I was under observation for 12 hours then they decided to do a cardio cath after my bloodwork showed signs of a heart attack. No blockages no stints. I honestly feel had they researched more on what I was taking and the possible sides that the cardio cath could have been avoided seeing it ended up being not needed. I received some of my bloodwork info later. My LDL 49, HDL 25 , triglycerides 79. I was not told anything else about my bloodwork that lead them to believe I was having a heart attack other then my blood was pumping thru my heart like molasses. Looking back you think since I was under observation for 12 hours and having blood drawn every hour and tested that they would have tried a blood thinner first. I had and have a strong feeling my case was not handled in the most effective or professional way. You'd be amazed how different you are treated when you have insurance opposed to when you don't .
    Well, 49 LDL is good; but HDL 25 is bad. I dont know about triglycerides. Why dont you have insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Well, 49 LDL is good; but HDL 25 is bad. I dont know about triglycerides. Why dont you have insurance?
    That's good or normal for tris but 25 HDL isn't to bad if LDL is 49 as I was told your HDL only has to be at least half of your LDL so if I had a say 120 LDL and a 25 HDL then that would be bad. I was surprised both was that low considering the amount of food I was pounding down. My diet was maybe too clean but I thought I was getting plenty of good fats from all the natty PB and avacados I was going thru

    Don't have insurance because a few issues I don't care to discuss i.e. financial etc. I got screwed by the VA as well which sucks but hopefully it'll be straightened out sooner or later. Last letter I got from them was a letter telling me they're going to send me another letter. Wtf!?! Turns out my sep code and discharge and discharge reason are mid matched. I'm suppose to have a medical but some dumb fuk YN1 screwed my paperwork up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    That's good or normal for tris but 25 HDL isn't to bad if LDL is 49 as I was told your HDL only has to be at least half of your LDL so if I had a say 120 LDL and a 25 HDL then that would be bad. I was surprised both was that low considering the amount of food I was pounding down. My diet was maybe too clean but I thought I was getting plenty of good fats from all the natty PB and avacados I was going thru

    Don't have insurance because a few issues I don't care to discuss i.e. financial etc. I got screwed by the VA as well which sucks but hopefully it'll be straightened out sooner or later. Last letter I got from them was a letter telling me they're going to send me another letter. Wtf!?! Turns out my sep code and discharge and discharge reason are mid matched. I'm suppose to have a medical but some dumb fuk YN1 screwed my paperwork up.
    Sorry to hear that. So I assume your job doesnt provide it or you're not working. Have you tried Medicaid?
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    How was that possible before getting into lifting I did coke and meth for half a year when I finished rehab and started lifting I was using a pre workout a moth or two later and I have normal BP and heart rate and my blood ain't thick like molasses ur case seems to be 1 in a 1000000
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Sorry to hear that. So I assume your job doesnt provide it or you're not working. Have you tried Medicaid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili View Post
    How was that possible before getting into lifting I did coke and meth for half a year when I finished rehab and started lifting I was using a pre workout a moth or two later and I have normal BP and heart rate and my blood ain't thick like molasses ur case seems to be 1 in a 1000000
    You're either lucky or super human. Don't know what ya wanna hear on that. Do alil homework it does happen and too high rbc count does cause your blood to be thick. Hope your luck doesn't run out on ya before you stop abusing your body. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    You're either lucky or super human. Don't know what ya wanna hear on that. Do alil homework it does happen and too high rbc count does cause your blood to be thick. Hope your luck doesn't run out on ya before you stop abusing your body. Good luck
    did u feel anything specific that was different from normal before ur heart attack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili View Post

    did u feel anything specific that was different from normal before ur heart attack

    Pain in the diaphragm area like cramped up to the point I couldn't stand straight. Didn't feel like heart at all. Thought maybe I strained myself the night before in the gym. Went home put a heating pad on my stomach and crashed out a couple hours. Woke up had diarrhea for two more hours and my breathing was short and heart rate felt high. Ended up going to the ER. Was hard to walk and breath chest felt tight but felt like lungs. I actually thought I had gotten walking pneumonia again. Symptoms felt pretty much the same. From the time I start having pain to the time they decided I was having a heart attack it was almost 24hrs later. When they said I was having a heart attack I was pretty high on dilauded and felt great. Thought I was getting discharged then the medical swat team comes in and transports me to another hospitals cardiac unit to have the cath done. It surprised the crap outa me. They called it a minor heart attack and said no blockages , no stints, no tissue damage. I wish I had more in depth diagnosis but my experience was odd looking back and I really feel it was handled wrong but not being In the medical field I couldn't say. I can attest to the unprofressional attitude the cardio had and that was backed by the nurses as they said he was an ass hole. I don't wanna scare folks , just be careful. Give blood it seems to keep rbc in check for long or heavy users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili View Post
    How was that possible before getting into lifting I did coke and meth for half a year when I finished rehab and started lifting I was using a pre workout a moth or two later and I have normal BP and heart rate and my blood ain't thick like molasses ur case seems to be 1 in a 1000000
    Completely different substances and completely different effects on blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    Pain in the diaphragm area like cramped up to the point I couldn't stand straight. Didn't feel like heart at all. Thought maybe I strained myself the night before in the gym. Went home put a heating pad on my stomach and crashed out a couple hours. Woke up had diarrhea for two more hours and my breathing was short and heart rate felt high. Ended up going to the ER. Was hard to walk and breath chest felt tight but felt like lungs. I actually thought I had gotten walking pneumonia again. Symptoms felt pretty much the same. From the time I start having pain to the time they decided I was having a heart attack it was almost 24hrs later. When they said I was having a heart attack I was pretty high on dilauded and felt great. Thought I was getting discharged then the medical swat team comes in and transports me to another hospitals cardiac unit to have the cath done. It surprised the crap outa me. They called it a minor heart attack and said no blockages , no stints, no tissue damage. I wish I had more in depth diagnosis but my experience was odd looking back and I really feel it was handled wrong but not being In the medical field I couldn't say. I can attest to the unprofressional attitude the cardio had and that was backed by the nurses as they said he was an ass hole. I don't wanna scare folks , just be careful. Give blood it seems to keep rbc in check for long or heavy users.
    Well it's too late. I'm scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Well it's too late. I'm scared.
    Don't be scared just be informed and take precautions. It's a rare case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    Don't be scared just be informed and take precautions. It's a rare case.
    Best advice right here! Be informed and actually USE that information to your advantage and do what your your body needs!

    Also do you think maybe an aspirin regimen would have been enough to help with your experience??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili View Post
    How was that possible before getting into lifting I did coke and meth for half a year when I finished rehab and started lifting I was using a pre workout a moth or two later and I have normal BP and heart rate and my blood ain't thick like molasses ur case seems to be 1 in a 1000000
    The more I read your posts, the more I feel like a genius. GTL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    Best advice right here! Be informed and actually USE that information to your advantage and do what your your body needs!

    Also do you think maybe an aspirin regimen would have been enough to help with your experience??

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    I think it would have been a good safety. I include a 81mg baby aspirin daily now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borispili View Post
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    Mikeg313, thanks for all this info. It is a big help for planning my supplements out

    Glad you're ok too
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post
    Mikeg313, thanks for all this info. It is a big help for planning my supplements out

    Glad you're ok too
    Hey no problem brother. I don't know much other then what I experience and if that little experience helps someone else stay safe then that's cool. Luckily this board has alot of guys with all kinds of experience and knowledge on this interest we all have in common and you can pick from those experiences and apply what helps you on your way the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    Hey no problem brother. I don't know much other then what I experience and if that little experience helps someone else stay safe then that's cool. Luckily this board has alot of guys with all kinds of experience and knowledge on this interest we all have in common and you can pick from those experiences and apply what helps you on your way the best.
    mike...your a genius, stop being modest and admit your a supplement god that not even a heart attack can topple...just admit it....cmon
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    mike...your a genius, stop being modest and admit your a supplement god that not even a heart attack can topple...just admit it....cmon
    Shoooot, I've been following your lead you mythical beast you! ;-)
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