First Test Cutting Cycle help

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Cool. thanks a lot. My source is out of test E, so I'm going with cyp for 12 weeks. And I'm plannig to take aromasin at 12.5mg EOD, think that's good. I know aromasin is strong, so I don't wanna kill my libido or anything. And should I take it through pct?
    Aeromasin only has a 24 hour active life and actually is shorter In males. So it needs to be dosed ED not EOD and no don't take it during pct.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    I just want to take enough to keep all my muscle from my bulk.
    how much did you gain on it? your profile shows you as 6'3" and 177lbs. Basically if you get 250mg/ml testosterone which is what a majority of UGLs do, 300 is a pain to get to. but 1 1/2 ml ends up at 475, which is plenty. if you are splitting it in 2x a week, then you can instead shoot for 6/10 an ml each time and end up closer to 400. Its way better to start slow. Whether you can add muscle while losing fat is far more overall diet dependent. And if you are buying the winny anyhow, then i'd also add in 3 days of 50mg a day at week 5. Winny lowers SHBG, leaving you more free testosterone and that's about the point where your SHBG is likely to start going up
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    how much did you gain on it? your profile shows you as 6'3" and 177lbs. Basically if you get 250mg/ml testosterone which is what a majority of UGLs do, 300 is a pain to get to. but 1 1/2 ml ends up at 475, which is plenty. if you are splitting it in 2x a week, then you can instead shoot for 6/10 an ml each time and end up closer to 400. Its way better to start slow. Whether you can add muscle while losing fat is far more overall diet dependent. And if you are buying the winny anyhow, then i'd also add in 3 days of 50mg a day at week 5. Winny lowers SHBG, leaving you more free testosterone and that's about the point where your SHBG is likely to start going up
    Well I'm at 187 now. My source has test cyp at 200mg/ml. I was planning 2 mls per week. So you would suggest 8 weeks of winny? I was planning 6, but as long as it won't destroy my liver I'm good.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Well I'm at 187 now. My source has test cyp at 200mg/ml. I was planning 2 mls per week. So you would suggest 8 weeks of winny? I was planning 6, but as long as it won't destroy my liver I'm good.
    nope, just 3 days in a row there at week 4 or 5 or 2 weeks before you plan to start taking it daily. actually the dose could be quite low those 3 days, as low as 10mg will do the trick. you are talking oral winny right?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    nope, just 3 days in a row there at week 4 or 5 or 2 weeks before you plan to start taking it daily. actually the dose could be quite low those 3 days, as low as 10mg will do the trick. you are talking oral winny right?
    Oh okay sweet. Yea, its oral winny. And I'm probably 13% bf right now, and I still want to bulk til I start cutting in april. So hopefully I can get to like 195 at 13 or 14% bf, then cut to like 6% or less. We'll see

  7. Thanks a lot guys. I'm starting to piece this all together. So here's my updated plan...

    Weeks 1-6

    Test cyp: 400mg/ week (2 200mg pins)
    Aromasin: 6.25mg/ day
    HCG: 500iu per week starting upon shrinkage (2 250iu pins)
    Winstrol: 10mg 3 consecutive days (weeks 5 and 6 only)

    Weeks 7-12

    Test cyp: 400mg/ week (2 200mg pins)
    Aromasin: 6.25mg/ day
    HCG: 500 per week
    Winstrol: 50mg EOD
    Cycle assist: 4-8 caps per day

    Weeks 13-14
    HCG: 1000iu per week
    Cycle assist: 4 caps per day

    Should I include aromasin these weeks?

    Weeks 15-18:
    Clomid: 100/100/50/50
    HCG: 1000iu per week
    Probably DAA and erase as well

    Think this looks good?

  8. Not hatin OP but either ur in a wheel chair and have no legs or something becuase at ur height to have run one cycle and be 187 thts a lil sad makes me worry about how well ur next cycle is gonna go in your regards to training and diet

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Borispili
    Not hatin OP but either ur in a wheel chair and have no legs or something becuase at ur height to have run one cycle and be 187 thts a lil sad makes me worry about how well ur next cycle is gonna go in your regards to training and diet
    Well... sounds like hatin to me. I haven't taken test before, only 2 ph cycles (1 was a cut). I was a really late bloomer, and a hard gainer, and was 6'3", 135lbs in college. I started working at a gym, lifting 5 days a week, and eating a lot. I've put on 50+ lbs of muscle in a couple of years, and I think that's pretty good. Sorry if we aren't all as genetically gifted as you man

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345

    Well... sounds like hatin to me. I haven't taken test before, only 2 ph cycles (1 was a cut). I was a really late bloomer, and a hard gainer, and was 6'3", 135lbs in college. I started working at a gym, lifting 5 days a week, and eating a lot. I've put on 50+ lbs of muscle in a couple of years, and I think that's pretty good. Sorry if we aren't all as genetically gifted as you man
    50+ lbs of muscle in 2-3 years sounds like test!!!!

  11. Never understood why a wet compound or bloat matters one bit when cutting save the mental aspect of thinking you don't look dry and hard so you must not be losing fat. Test is great on a cut especially if you are doing cardio where substances like Masteron or Tren can make that next to impossible due to sucking wind or painful pumps. I concur with the lower dose as well.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Borispili

    50+ lbs of muscle in 2-3 years sounds like test!!!!
    Well thank you I guess, cause no test before

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr
    Never understood why a wet compound or bloat matters one bit when cutting save the mental aspect of thinking you don't look dry and hard so you must not be losing fat. Test is great on a cut especially if you are doing cardio where substances like Masteron or Tren can make that next to impossible due to sucking wind or painful pumps. I concur with the lower dose as well.
    Okay. Well do u think I'll look bloated after 12 weeks? Obviously I'll still be way lower on BF%, but do u think the bloat will be significant? Never used test before, so I don't know what to expect. And obviously I want to look my best when I'm done
  14. First Test Cutting Cycle help


    Like you were told before I believe, the bloat and bf at the end is going to be very diet dependent. Everyone responds differently but the aromasin should keep your on-cycle bloat to a min.
    Just curious, not sure if you mentioned it, what's your diet going to look like, macro-wise?
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by eric40817
    Like you were told before I believe, the bloat and bf at the end is going to be very diet dependent. Everyone responds differently but the aromasin should keep your on-cycle bloat to a min.
    Just curious, not sure if you mentioned it, what's your diet going to look like, macro-wise?
    Okay cool. Honestly, I haven't planned my macros out yet, just because I didn't know if I was gonna do the test or not. and I'm not starting til april anyways. Any suggestions?

  16. and what the final ruling about HCG in PCT? I know it will suppress natural prodution, so I should run in weeks 13 and 14, then stop for PCT? Just wanna get this all perfect because I'm having the first cycle jitters

  17. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    and what the final ruling about HCG in PCT? I know it will suppress natural prodution, so I should run in weeks 13 and 14, then stop for PCT? Just wanna get this all perfect because I'm having the first cycle jitters
    Actually, just found this...

    "For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system."
  18. First Test Cutting Cycle help


    As far as diet goes, it's what works for you. Some people prefer low fat higher carb, others prefer moderate carb and higher fats. I personally keep it real simple. I eat clean and with my schedule 4 meals is the most manageable for me right now. iirc my diet during my recomp was something like 230-250P/300-325C and the rest of my daily cals were fats coming from almonds, avacados, almond butter and macadamia oil mostly. That's based on my stats so you're numbers will be much different.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by eric40817
    As far as diet goes, it's what works for you. Some people prefer low fat higher carb, others prefer moderate carb and higher fats. I personally keep it real simple. I eat clean and with my schedule 4 meals is the most manageable for me right now. iirc my diet during my recomp was something like 230-250P/300-325C and the rest of my daily cals were fats coming from almonds, avacados, almond butter and macadamia oil mostly. That's based on my stats so you're numbers will be much different.
    Cool. I was thinking of doing something similar. I think I'm going to have a set value for protein and fats, and whatever's left calorie wise will be from carbs, then slowly drop carbs each week.

  20. Careful carb manipulation is the best way to lower bf%.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Careful carb manipulation is the best way to lower bf%.
    ^This for sure. Not sure how much cardio you do, or plan on doing. In combination with a good diet, HIIT is a great fat burning cardio method
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by eric40817

    ^This for sure. Not sure how much cardio you do, or plan on doing. In combination with a good diet, HIIT is a great fat burning cardio method
    Oh yea. HIIT is the only cardio I can stand. Haha. I actually enjoy it. Probably gonna start with 1 or 2 sessions per week, and increase as the weeks go on. Thanks for the input guys. I just measured my BF (rough measurement) and its at 14%, so I'll have my work cut out for me if I want to hit sub 7%

  23. And hey, been researching like crazy and was curious about a few more things...

    Acne: never had terrible acne, but the occasional breakout. Do you think bad acne will be something I should expect at 400mg a week?

    Prostate health: I keep looking up people's first cycles, and nobody mentions caring for the prostate. Does that mean I shouldn't worry about it on a test only cycle?

    Lipid health: need I take something for this?

    And keep in mind I'll be taking cycle assist when I start my orals, which I believe helps with these problems, but I don't know if its strong enough for everything. And I'll be taking low dose aromasin from day 1, and I think keeping estrogen low will help with acne and the prostate.

    Am I overthinking all this? Just trying to avoid making a mistake. Thanks in advance fellas

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    And hey, been researching like crazy and was curious about a few more things...

    Acne: never had terrible acne, but the occasional breakout. Do you think bad acne will be something I should expect at 400mg a week?

    Prostate health: I keep looking up people's first cycles, and nobody mentions caring for the prostate. Does that mean I shouldn't worry about it on a test only cycle?

    Lipid health: need I take something for this?

    And keep in mind I'll be taking cycle assist when I start my orals, which I believe helps with these problems, but I don't know if its strong enough for everything. And I'll be taking low dose aromasin from day 1, and I think keeping estrogen low will help with acne and the prostate.

    Am I overthinking all this? Just trying to avoid making a mistake. Thanks in advance fellas
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