STARTING ANAVAR ONLY CYCLE TOMORROW.
- 01-25-2013, 06:56 PM
I learned the hard.
Not to go to crazy in someone else's thread but my example: I did 8 week cycle of test e and started it with 4 weeks of dbol. When I caught him with my gf he stopped giving my gear and I was cut off cold turkey no pct at 6 weeks!!!
Since then I have become very educated although I haven't attempted another cycle. But you are like me... Tryig to help when u can although we have slightly different tact! Lmao
- 01-25-2013, 07:04 PM
- 01-25-2013, 07:10 PM
its not debateable, 17aa compounds are hepatoxic, its the nature of the beast. kidney, sure, you might have an argument there but not with hepatoxicity.
and running an injectable, unless its its a 17aa injectable, (winni,dbol for example) are markedly easier on the liver. there is still some hepatoxicity, but not to the extent of 17aa hormones or other methylated compounds in general.
but i digress...
im starting to look like a dick!
01-25-2013, 07:27 PM
As far as hepatoxicity, yes, the can be debated. Even with the 17aa coumpounds, increased liver activity does not necessarily mean liver damage.
Google the studies on this, as it is interesting. Evidence suggests that you'd have to take extremely high dosages for extended periods of time to cause irreversable damage.
01-25-2013, 07:57 PM
01-25-2013, 08:15 PM
01-25-2013, 08:20 PM
01-26-2013, 01:07 AM
01-26-2013, 05:07 PM
Holy lord plenty of people do anavar only and are fine without test, run it 80-100mg for amazing results, also do a pct man
They give it to burn victims with no test a long with it
So many compounds are run without test, for some reason anavar has been shown to not completely shut you down and be too bad on the liver, you can find plenty of studies on var
So much hate for oral only cycles, especially from those who never ran them
01-27-2013, 02:57 PM
So I started. Currently dosing 25MG for first week and then looking to go 50MG. Someone told me to do 2 weeks of 25MG, but I want to cut it to 1.
Also, taking NOLVADEX every 3rd day. Taking a DHEA daily, same with milk thistle and my hair supplies just in case.
Other supps include: jack3d, creatine, aminos, and allll my necessary vitamins.
What should I run for my PCT and when do i start? If you could please answer that without just insulting my choices for a var only cycle is appreciate it! Thank you!
01-27-2013, 04:17 PM
I've done anavar only for my first cycle 8 weeks and it was great I used a serm but probably didn't really need to ....
I have many friends who have run anavar with just OTC pct and have been fine anavar is dht so the chance of getting hard nips and gyno are low
And as for your reference about phs being weak ... Epistane hdrol are both perfect for first cycles and thousand of logs will confirm that
And weak phs ?? 3 weeks of superdrol will beat any test gains my friend you are so informed but please flame everyone for using phs instead of buying the real deal which could well indeed be rat **** your injecting in your leg.
01-28-2013, 10:38 AM
and SD isnt a prohormone, its an oral AAS. Its a methylated Drostanonole. Its common chemical name is Methasterone.
I refer to PHs as weak because they are...sorry. IMO the only PHs that have been worth their weight have been andro (original) and trenavar. Those are the only two that have consistently proven to have conversion rates that are high enough to produce plasma concentration levels of active hormone to make any significant gains...this is obviously my opinion-just sharing it. Ironically enough, Andro converts to Test, and is a naturally occuring PH in the body....wow
epistane, hdrol, and the like do work-just not to the extent that true AAS do, theyre designed to be a "legal" replacement for the real deal. 9/10 theyre not equal to what they are replacing.
and that "rat ****" that you are saying im injecting into my leg is always human/high-grade pharmaceuticals. I homebrew with raw powder that I buy directly from the manufacturers. I know exactly what im using and what im putting into my body. Not only is it bought from the manufacturers, I always run in through a Mass Spectrometer to verify- 1. that it is the hormone that I want and 2. Its purity. There is never any question as to the quality of my gear.
Yes, I am informed-Please dont ever insult my intelegence w/o knowing me or my background.
No, Im not flaming to flame-simply stating my opinion. If you dont like it, thats fine! Please Discard it at will.
No, I don't shoot rat **** into my leg.
01-28-2013, 03:02 PM
01-28-2013, 03:11 PM
and really whos gonna take advice from somebody that might shoot rat **** into there leg...because rat **** and injectables are often used interchangeably because of misidentification-its like coral snakes and milk snakes!
but this wouldnt happen to someone who is informed
01-28-2013, 03:19 PM
You are just as likely to receive rat droppings in your SD pills as you are in your test vials, since your orals aren't FDA approved either. The fact is, even when you buy a bottle of pills from somewhere, you really don't know what's in it, unless you packed it yourself with your own "proprietary blend".
01-28-2013, 03:27 PM
but its obvious this dude is trying to bust balls about stuff trooper. I simply gave my opinion on the matter and he tried to come back hard at me sayin my advice is garbage and calling me uninformed. Im aware that I dont know every last thing there is to know, but I do know alot about biochemistry and anabolics, especially when were speaking in terms of human male biochemistry and physiology.
01-28-2013, 03:39 PM
01-28-2013, 03:44 PM
01-28-2013, 03:48 PM
01-28-2013, 06:48 PM
True SD is an active steroid, but it along with everything else was marketed as a "PH", so I can see where some people get confused.
01-28-2013, 09:40 PM
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