Is there any reason to NOT use an AI during cycle?

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  1. Is there any reason to NOT use an AI during cycle?


    Won't you get just as much muscle gains using test with an AI, as you would without?

    It's seems pointless to "smooth out", even when bulking and putting on weight.

    So again, does using an AI in any way hinder muscle gains?

    Is there any reason to consider NOT using it?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by R1187

    Is there any reason to consider NOT using it?
    Sure, if what you're looking for is a nice rack...

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Sure, if what you're looking for is a nice rack...

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    Well, I've heard of people only using it at the onset of gyno symptoms, so I was wondering if there was any reason not to run it the entire duration of the cycle.

  4. unless you are prone to gyno or trying to cut down water weight while on cycle there isn't really a need to run an ai during a whole cycle.some estrogen is needed in the body

  5. depends on the cycle bud. people do run ai's with higher dosed test cycles. but with orals that dont aromatize, an ai would destroy your estro and set you up for rebound and limit potential
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  6. Subbed to hear various thoughts.

    What AI does everyone like?

  7. I want to gain muscle, but my worst fear is losing definition and vasuclarity.

    I know I can always cut later, but still...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    I want to gain muscle, but my worst fear is losing definition and vasuclarity.

    I know I can always cut later, but still...
    test + AI = best of both worlds?

    an AI may slightly hinder gains but your still gonna make big gains overall
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    test + AI = best of both worlds?

    an AI may slightly hinder gains but your still gonna make big gains overall
    That's what I want to hear.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    That's what I want to hear.
    glad i could help. imo, it wouldnt be worth the risk to run test without an AI. its easier to prevent gyno than try to reverse it. you want to control estrogen, not crush it, as someone else mentioned above. im no expert though, this is just my broscience.
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  11. OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
    My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
    Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
    Saying you don't need one is very naive.

    Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Dom Tavis View Post
    OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
    My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
    Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
    Saying you don't need one is very naive.

    Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

    exactly, its easier to prevent estro related sides than attempt to reverse them once they show up.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    depends on the cycle bud. people do run ai's with higher dosed test cycles. but with orals that dont aromatize, an ai would destroy your estro and set you up for rebound and limit potential
    Isn't a rebound only an issue with suicidal AIs? If you took it with a SERM and tapered the AI down, I don't see any issues

  14. if your not prone to estrogen and you are running a mild cycle you should be fine, estrogen adds gains through igf-1 production so it does more than just add water/fat
    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Tavis View Post
    OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
    My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
    Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
    Saying you don't need one is very naive.

    Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AwhYeah View Post
    Isn't a rebound only an issue with suicidal AIs? If you took it with a SERM and tapered the AI down, I don't see any issues
    rebound is less of an issue with suicidal AIs as estrogen is slowly returned back to normal following cessation of the AI as opposed to a sudden (rebound) of estrogen following cessation of a non suicidal AI.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    rebound is less of an issue with suicidal AIs as estrogen is slowly returned back to normal following cessation of the AI as opposed to a sudden (rebound) of estrogen following cessation of a non suicidal AI.
    So is my liquidex going to rebound?

  17. you wont gain as much using an ai as you would without one.

    estrogen is also a key hormone for building muscle.

    too little is just as bad as too much.

  18. rebound is most likely going to happen regardless of what ai you use.

    you block estrogen from forming.

    hpta senses an imbalance in the androgen to estrogen ratio

    an increase in aromatase will then follow.

    you dont get fully shut down on cycle, to there is always plenty of androgens available to aromatize.

    the more you block the sink, the great the overflow will be.

    you control estrogen on cycle with an ai, not try to remove it.

  19. How to do you know if you are controlling the estrogen or blocking it entirely? I know symptoms of high estrogen, but not normal-low.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    you wont gain as much using an ai as you would without one.

    estrogen is also a key hormone for building muscle.

    too little is just as bad as too much.
    This makes sense when you consider steroids like winstrol give strength gains with very little size gains.

    What's odd though is how superdrol has effects similar to winstrol (crushes estrogen), yet still gives considerable size gains.

  21. methylmasteron is out of this world man that **** is crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    This makes sense when you consider steroids like winstrol give strength gains with very little size gains.

    What's odd though is how superdrol has effects similar to winstrol (crushes estrogen), yet still gives considerable size gains.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    This makes sense when you consider steroids like winstrol give strength gains with very little size gains.

    What's odd though is how superdrol has effects similar to winstrol (crushes estrogen), yet still gives considerable size gains.
    superdrol is di methyl dht, but d/t the methylation, this changes the androgenic properties of the compound, which is lower than winstrol. winstrol acts completely different in the body than superdrol or dht.

    superdrol is a weak androgenic, non aromatizing compound, so having high levels of estrogen while using it are to be expected.

    agains, because of winstrols make up, and how it acts in the body, it has a completely different effect than superdrol.

    sd is is only dry in the sense that it does not aromatize.

    but neither does anadrol.

  23. Does SD act as an AI when taken with compounds that aromatize?

    I always thought suppressed estrogen, or any dry compound for that matter.

  24. no it doesn't.

    it is a weak androgen when compared to others like dht.

  25. I believe the only steroids that would act as a mild to moderate ai would be heavy androgenic componets, steroids like dht, or the active steroid in 5-alpha, masteron injectable has worked great to keep my nipples in check on a gram of test a week and no to very little ai(just a little formeron)
    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Does SD act as an AI when taken with compounds that aromatize?

    I always thought suppressed estrogen, or any dry compound for that matter.
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