[mich29]

mich29 if i do a detailed cycle review of alpha mass and max bulk and before and after pics can do you think i can get like 50% off max bulk... just wondering?

I'll shoot corporate an email and see what I can do

[Young Gotti]

mich29 if i do a detailed cycle review of alpha mass and max bulk and before and after pics can do you think i can get like 50% off max bulk... just wondering?

that would be nice if we could get you a good discount for max bulk....i'd love to see the log for max bulk

[Androfactory]

Received the hormones for LEAN-CUT and FOCUS and they just went out for testing. If anyone cares to know testing for identification and assay (purity %) for the activeS in LEAN-CUT and FOCUS is around $2000. Something that is NOT required by GMP & the FDA. But we do it every time, every batch, no exceptions.

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[Androfactory]

Received the hormones for LEAN-CUT and FOCUS and they just went out for testing. If anyone cares to know testing for identification and assay (purity %) for the actives in LEAN-CUT and FOCUS is around $2000. Something that is NOT required by GMP & the FDA. But we do it every time, every batch, no exceptions.

https://www.*****************/

[8ATHLETE]

yeah and I'm running alpha mass with it as well and will be 6 week cycle and the results from alpha amass alone were great with max bulk added it will be real nice

[8ATHLETE]

why will it affect the effectiveness of alpha mass just curious

[svida]

Any updates yet on MAX BULK? There's lots of folks waiting for this product line...

[Young Gotti]

Any updates yet on MAX BULK? There's lots of folks waiting for this product line...

a lot of reps waiting for the product line as well haha....we're all chomping a the bit to try all the products

[Royd The Noyd]

why will it affect the effectiveness of alpha mass just curious

The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).

[saludable24]

The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).

This is interesting. I had never heard of this effect before, only that it could possibly modulate estrogen along with extending the half-life of certain drugs. But, my question is how much effect would Naringenin really have in human body with regards to enzyme inhibition? Would it really be that noticible? I also could only find 2 studies that seemed to relate to this enzyme inhibition, but one said it inhibited 3b-hsd, the other 17b-hsd. Maybe it inhibits both, but then again to what degree?

Perhaps the amount effective for extending the half-life of compounds isn't great enough to cause enough inhibition to be noticable. Both the Andro Series by PP and these AndroFactory clones use Naringenin, but I don't recall anyone ever raising the issue of enzyme inhibition with Primordial's products. The enzyme inhibition seems to be intrinsically tied to the CYP P450 inhibition. If that is the case, wouldn't your hormone carrier run into the same issue? Just speculating on that; I'm too tired to search for yet another ingredient right now. Besides which, just because it isn't in a study doesn't mean that that is not the case; the oposite is also true at times.

Maybe it is just a case of six of one, half a dosen of the other. Longer half-life and less conversion vs. shorter half-life and more conversion.

These are the only two studies that I could pull up that seemed relevant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23370353 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11205867 .

[mich29]

def interesting here can't say I've ever heard of this being a problem either

[8ATHLETE]

does lg science have good products?

[hvactech]

id use frl or AF rather than lg....

[jbryand101b]

why? lg has been in the hormone business for a long time, i'd say they know a thing or two about what they're doing.

[Celorza]

id use frl or AF rather than lg....

Why? Agreed on FRL though

why? lg has been in the hormone business for a long time, i'd say they know a thing or two about what they're doing.

^ This

[FL3X MAGNUM]

why? lg has been in the hormone business for a long time, i'd say they know a thing or two about what they're doing.

Could be why their formulator has helped other companies formulate some of their products as well.

[AlexErdellan]

The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).

WTF?? Why would they put that in their product?