Bulk Up or Alpha Mass?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kma2402 View Post
    So would there be much of a need in a pct if you only do 1 bottle of mass or bulk?
    YES YOU NEED TO PCT


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kma2402
    So would there be much of a need in a pct if you only do 1 bottle of mass or bulk?
    of course youd need a pct. dafuq kind of question is that? now whether a serm is required or not depends on length and dosage of the dhea run
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  3. Decided what you are gonna run?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post

    of course youd need a pct. dafuq kind of question is that? now whether a serm is required or not depends on length and dosage of the dhea run
    It would be for only running 6 caps a day for 4 weeks. The recommended dose on the bottle

  5. Quote Originally Posted by kma2402 View Post

    It would be for only running 6 caps a day for 4 weeks. The recommended dose on the bottle
    Don't run it for 4 weeks. IMO that's to short. 6-8 weeks at best, even 10 weeks. But 8 is the shortest i would run it.

    If running it at 6-10 caps for 8 weeks no serm anything more add a serm to pct
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  6. 4 weeks on dhea berivitives is a waste of money and time. personally, id be taperingup for 10 weeks with an added serm for pct. but dhea products are too expensive for my tastes

  7. Yea I didn't know that when I got a bottle of alpha mass I just wanted to try because its supposedly safer.

    I would rather just get some msten. So what kind of pct would recommend for just 4 weeks?

  8. msten will suck unless you run it at 12-16mg e/d for 6-8 weeks.

    i wouldn't say it's a waste to run less than 6 weeks, but I dont recomend that.

    pct? uh well, you dont need to run pct, but something is def better than nothing.

    if you want to run msten, you'll need 2 bottles, and a serm at the least.

  9. the same otc they recomend. or you can save it till you can afford a proper cycle and gt a couple more bottles of alpha mass/bulk. it wont expire for 5+ years anyways. or you can sell it. idk if AM lets you sell dhea, email and ask. if you can, then just sell it here

    edit: 4weeks of alpha mass or msten?

  10. what are some good non methyls out there?

  11. all non 17aa methylated compounds will most likely need to be ran higher than w/e the rec dosage is on the box.

    depending on the deliever system, this might change for some products.
  12. BULK-UP vs. AlphaMass or AlphaBulk


    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i wouldn't recomend any dhea product be ran for 4 weeks, unless you are mega dosing it.at w/e 6 caps e/d is of alpha bulk, I dont care, it's the rec dose, and works well as a test base.but, this thread is asking about bulk up or alpha mass.w/e works best at rec dosage for 8 weeks, and will be the most affordable, is what I'd go for.two bottles of alpha bulk & alpha mass, enough for 8 weeks, is going to run you about 200 bucks or so. but it's an 8 week cycle.add in something like dimethazine for 4 weeks as a kick start, and you'll be at about 220 ish dollars.I dont know how much 8 weeks of bulk up would cost, or whats in it.but the delievery system in FRL's products have made a believer out of me that how man mg's of dhea in the product dont matter, how it's delievered does.
    BULK-UP vs. AlphaMass or AlphaBulk


    I was seeking a thread where I could do a fair comparison between the active ingredients in BULK-UP and another product that may or may not provide as good a solution. 4-DHEA has shown a reputation of a small amount of lethargia and 1-DHEA has had a large amount of lethargia


    ANDRO FACTORY has stopped using 1 -DHEA because of this and developed a new formula where a-DHEA and b-DHEA balances out any lethargia that the 4-DHEA might have created.

    We have created a solution and it is in balancing the DHEA's in a Complex to get the benefits of all while balancing out any negative effects.


    As far as a direct compassion in mg and cost. Here is a quick break down

    ANDRO FACTORY'S BULK-UP 456 mg total per 3 softgels

    a-DHEA (3-alpha-enanthoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 68mg

    -DHEA (3-beta-undecanoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 194mg

    4-DHEA (3-beta-enanthoyloxyandrost-4-en-17-one) 194mg


    Thats over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

    Forrunners AlphaMass 30 mg per 3 softgels Only 1-DHEA

    Forrunners AlphaBulk 60 mg per 3 softgels Only 4-DHEA

    As far as cost goes BULK-UP by ANDRO FACTORY is $139.50 per bottle but you can find it at any resaler for less than a hundred

    Both AlphaMass and AlphBulk are about $100.00

    It is my opinion that AF has a superior formula (as far as any DHEA goes), less lathargic effects, MUCH stronger dosing and the price is just right for what your getting.


    Strongest, Safest, Legal most Affordable Prohormone anywhere.
  13. good non methyls


    Quote Originally Posted by 8ATHLETE View Post
    what are some good non methyls out there?
    BULK-UP is about the strongest-safest "good non methyls" your going to find. I'm not saying that as a rep. I'm saying it through my own research. They have so far show to be the strongest DHEA complex out there that is not going to shut down your liver and the price is right for the amount of actives you get. over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

    Rating the ingredients in BULK-UP for Lean Muscle Building with little to no bloating, water weight or lathargia. We've been researching all the different DHEA compounds and how they can be stacked together for the best results for over 5 years. BULK-UP is the answer. It's going to give you very little sides with serious gains.

    I'd like to see some testers take both products seperately and vote who's #1 and who comes in #2

    We have a great solution to safe Non Methelated roids. Their over at ANDRO FACTORY, check out our blog.

    http://www.androfactoryblog.com/stro...al-affordable/

  14. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    the same otc they recomend. or you can save it till you can afford a proper cycle and gt a couple more bottles of alpha mass/bulk. it wont expire for 5+ years anyways. or you can sell it. idk if AM lets you sell dhea, email and ask. if you can, then just sell it here

    edit: 4weeks of alpha mass or msten?
    I'm just running 4 weeks of alpha mass at 6 caps a day. I don't want to spend all this money to get gains that can come from one bottle of SD.

    Would dpol be good for just 4 weeks of alpha mass?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kma2402 View Post

    I'm just running 4 weeks of alpha mass at 6 caps a day. I don't want to spend all this money to get gains that can come from one bottle of SD.

    Would dpol be good for just 4 weeks of alpha mass?
    Considering dpol has no ai it's not good enough

  16. okay thanks can i stack the alpha mass with the bulk up?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post

    Considering dpol has no ai it's not good enough
    Than what would be good enough?
  18. can i stack the alpha mass with the bulk up


    Quote Originally Posted by 8ATHLETE View Post
    okay thanks can i stack the alpha mass with the bulk up?
    You can. You would essentially be taking something close to our last version of BULK-UP. We had 1-DHEA in there to. Only decieded to take it out on the last run to keep water weight, bloating and lethergy down.

    If you have a bottle of Alpha Mass and you plan on taking it alone Defiantly add BULK-UP to it. I'll even give you a buy one get one half off coupon code. That's probably the only way your going to get really cycle out of it.

    BULKUP14

    Type it in at check out.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kma2402 View Post

    Than what would be good enough?
    Erase + D-aspartic acid

  20. Defiantly try BULK-UP.

    I could recommend 4 other products, but that is a good stacker.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    BULK-UP vs. AlphaMass or AlphaBulk


    I was seeking a thread where I could do a fair comparison between the active ingredients in BULK-UP and another product that may or may not provide as good a solution. 4-DHEA has shown a reputation of a small amount of lethargia and 1-DHEA has had a large amount of lethargia


    ANDRO FACTORY has stopped using 1 -DHEA because of this and developed a new formula where a-DHEA and b-DHEA balances out any lethargia that the 4-DHEA might have created.

    We have created a solution and it is in balancing the DHEA's in a Complex to get the benefits of all while balancing out any negative effects.


    As far as a direct compassion in mg and cost. Here is a quick break down

    ANDRO FACTORY'S BULK-UP 456 mg total per 3 softgels

    a-DHEA (3-alpha-enanthoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 68mg

    -DHEA (3-beta-undecanoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 194mg

    4-DHEA (3-beta-enanthoyloxyandrost-4-en-17-one) 194mg


    Thats over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

    Forrunners AlphaMass 30 mg per 3 softgels Only 1-DHEA

    Forrunners AlphaBulk 60 mg per 3 softgels Only 4-DHEA

    As far as cost goes BULK-UP by ANDRO FACTORY is $139.50 per bottle but you can find it at any resaler for less than a hundred

    Both AlphaMass and AlphBulk are about $100.00

    It is my opinion that AF has a superior formula (as far as any DHEA goes), less lathargic effects, MUCH stronger dosing and the price is just right for what your getting.


    Strongest, Safest, Legal most Affordable Prohormone anywhere.
    I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, as the op might care to know this.

    me, I have no interest in alpha or beta dhea. I also find the mg's of 4-dhea to be worthless. I feel pretty much similar using the rec dosage of of alpha bulk & mass drops as I did when using primordial performance's andro mass v2 (1 & 4- super duper dhea)

    1 bottle of alpha bulk (or alpha mass) cost me, without any kind of hook up, almost 50$ including shipping. so I can get a 8 week (2 bottles) cycle (@ rec dosage) for 100$, no hook up or discount.

    so far, the rec 6 caps e/d works really well in my opion. so with this, an 8 week cycle stacking both alpha mass (1-dhea) and alpha bulk (4-dhea) will run me, about 200$ without any hook up or discount.

    but, if you're going to drop that kind of money, most comanies will give you a deal, or some extra goodies.

    how much of a deal from frl? not sure, I bought my 2 bottles of frl's alpha bulk on my own, as well as 2 bottles of mass drops (though, now I wish I had went with alpha mass)

    if I want plain dhea, i'll go with topical dhea, or sublingual, for way way cheaper, but I dont, cause plain dhea sucks balls.

    now, bulk or, or w/e other 1-dhea product androfactory has might be somehow better than primordial performances, or FRL's, I'm not sure, I havn't tried anything from you all yet. so the higher dosage of 4-dhea might be better, we'll have to see, someday.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    BULK-UP is about the strongest-safest "good non methyls" your going to find. I'm not saying that as a rep. I'm saying it through my own research. They have so far show to be the strongest DHEA complex out there that is not going to shut down your liver and the price is right for the amount of actives you get. over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

    Rating the ingredients in BULK-UP for Lean Muscle Building with little to no bloating, water weight or lathargia. We've been researching all the different DHEA compounds and how they can be stacked together for the best results for over 5 years. BULK-UP is the answer. It's going to give you very little sides with serious gains.

    I'd like to see some testers take both products seperately and vote who's #1 and who comes in #2

    We have a great solution to safe Non Methelated roids. Their over at ANDRO FACTORY, check out our blog.

    http://www.androfactoryblog.com/stro...al-affordable/
    furazabol thp ether is better than anything you guys currently have. I'm sure a the pro hormone to non methylated madol (desoxyTestosterone) is also more potent.

  23. andro factory would bulk up work well with alpha mass?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by 8ATHLETE View Post
    andro factory would bulk up work well with alpha mass?
    it would be the first time stacking the two could be very interesting if your heart is set on it and you have done your research i would say go for it

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    You can. You would essentially be taking something close to our last version of BULK-UP. We had 1-DHEA in there to. Only decieded to take it out on the last run to keep water weight, bloating and lethergy down.

    If you have a bottle of Alpha Mass and you plan on taking it alone Defiantly add BULK-UP to it. I'll even give you a buy one get one half off coupon code. That's probably the only way your going to get really cycle out of it.

    BULKUP14

    Type it in at check out.

    buy one get one half price..

  26. Bulk and alpha mass would go great together. Any 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA product stacks nicely. I just finished a cycle of alpha mass an 4-AD and put on a nice 12lbs in an 8 week run. AMS, FRL, and Androfactory all make these DHEA based pro hormones and you really cannot go wrong with either. I was truly impressed by the cycle I just ran and honestly I don't think I will ever use the liver toxic harsh PH/DS ever again. The DHEA products delivered everything I could ask for and eve more. Great strength, size, and gym euphoria was insane!

    Read up on all these companies and pick which one that you see to be more drawn to, you will not be disappointed with any of these companies. They are all great and all produce a quality product.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    Bulk and alpha mass would go great together. Any 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA product stacks nicely. I just finished a cycle of alpha mass an 4-AD and put on a nice 12lbs in an 8 week run. AMS, FRL, and Androfactory all make these DHEA based pro hormones and you really cannot go wrong with either. I was truly impressed by the cycle I just ran and honestly I don't think I will ever use the liver toxic harsh PH/DS ever again. The DHEA products delivered everything I could ask for and eve more. Great strength, size, and gym euphoria was insane!

    Read up on all these companies and pick which one that you see to be more drawn to, you will not be disappointed with any of these companies. They are all great and all produce a quality product.
    nice responce, i agree
  28. Ya come check it out


    Ya come check it out. Would love you to run it and post the results here ANDRO FACTORY'S product's are dosed WAY higher and it's the difference between working and getting way less results. Come over to AF and try it.

    Two new products are coming out in two weeks and they'll be running lots of promos!


    LEAN-CUT & FOCUS
    Andro Factory -AF

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, as the op might care to know this.me, I have no interest in alpha or beta dhea. I also find the mg's of 4-dhea to be worthless. I feel pretty much similar using the rec dosage of of alpha bulk & mass drops as I did when using primordial performance's andro mass v2 (1 & 4- super duper dhea)1 bottle of alpha bulk (or alpha mass) cost me, without any kind of hook up, almost 50$ including shipping. so I can get a 8 week (2 bottles) cycle (@ rec dosage) for 100$, no hook up or discount.so far, the rec 6 caps e/d works really well in my opion. so with this, an 8 week cycle stacking both alpha mass (1-dhea) and alpha bulk (4-dhea) will run me, about 200$ without any hook up or discount.but, if you're going to drop that kind of money, most comanies will give you a deal, or some extra goodies.how much of a deal from frl? not sure, I bought my 2 bottles of frl's alpha bulk on my own, as well as 2 bottles of mass drops (though, now I wish I had went with alpha mass)if I want plain dhea, i'll go with topical dhea, or sublingual, for way way cheaper, but I dont, cause plain dhea sucks balls.now, bulk or, or w/e other 1-dhea product androfactory has might be somehow better than primordial performances, or FRL's, I'm not sure, I havn't tried anything from you all yet. so the higher dosage of 4-dhea might be better, we'll have to see, someday.

  29. Lookin forward to that lean cut
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  30. As are we all..
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