Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno
- 02-27-2013, 01:56 PM
- 02-27-2013, 03:48 PM
- 02-27-2013, 04:18 PM
02-27-2013, 04:19 PM
Should I accuse your company of being low because you feel the need to attack another company with no evidence to back it?
I don't do that, because I choose to remain professional.
02-27-2013, 04:23 PM
How bout somebody man up and just state the facts? Is there a topical DHT or a topical DHEA that converts to DHT that can reduce gyno?
02-27-2013, 04:24 PM
The idea of running a DHT for 6 months to remove a long term case of gyno (over 5 years, right?) is very far fetched, and I will never recommend it. But short term gyno can be treated, and there are many people here who can testify to that.
The choice to try it is the consumer's.
02-27-2013, 04:25 PM
02-27-2013, 04:28 PM
02-27-2013, 04:30 PM
Reduce =/= eliminate. Reduce =/= remove. Reduce =/= reverse.
Let's call a spade a spade here. PP... sorry, i mean "Andro Factory" is citing DHEA for something that will compete or be better than pharmaceutical grade chemicals. I am well aware of the research behind DHT and gyno reduction, but it seems to me that PP's marketing tactics here are trying to convince consumers that their DHEA blend could possibly reverse gyno.
What exactly do you mean by reverse? To me, that means elimination of tissue. If you want to clarify, and lay your cards on the table I would be grateful. This isn't an attack, this is a consumer trying to get to the bottom of an important issue facing the majority of AAS users.
Edit: And nice editing of the thread title and OP. Cover your angus gentlemen.
02-27-2013, 05:00 PM
I do not get Wtf the arguing is about. So it is generally accecpted dht reduces/may eliminate gyno. They argue their modified dhea converts to dht. Therefore their dhea reduces/eliminates gyno. It seems logical, is the issue it doesn't convert to dht? Or it does but not enough to be effective? I don't understand what the beef is.
02-27-2013, 05:04 PM
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02-27-2013, 10:58 PM
02-27-2013, 11:43 PM
02-28-2013, 02:56 AM
02-28-2013, 07:36 AM
The reducing effects you're seeing are exactly what I was taking about.
If it goes away and then comes back in pct, that is due to an estrogen rebound. That can simply be avoided with a decent AI. Read-avoided, as in start that AI immediately in PCT instead of waiting for the sides to show up and then try chasing estrogen. That's always a losing battle.
02-28-2013, 08:13 AM
03-07-2013, 12:19 AM
There are a lot of really good post in these threads. I appreciate you guys taking the time to break it down and have a full detailed conversation for everyone. There are a lot of studies that show the DHT and DHEA can help with gyno and everybody's situation is different.
03-07-2013, 12:31 AM
I can't post links so here is the title at the bottom and here is a quote. This also applies to letrozole. I read the full text on the letrozole study and the concentrations one can achieve in the skin, and breast tissue are much higher via transdermal.
I bet it still wont be enough to get rid of old gyno but will be more helpful than oral and will avoid side effects.
"High accumulation of the drug in the skin and muscle tissue beneath the patch application site was observed in mice compared with that after oral administration. These findings show that anastrozoletransdermal patches are an appropriate delivery system for application to the breast tumor region for site-specific drug delivery to obtain a high local drug concentration"
Transdermal patches for site-specific delivery of anastrozole: In vitro and local tissue disposition evaluation.
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