Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno

[gymguy21]

Yea we would always play it safe with the recommendations (for the most part) -- but after 3 peoples blood work blowing my mind with no sign of suppression of hpta function -- it made me think that A.) this compound is extremely weak and perhaps the anti estrogenic/anti dht properties cause a testosterone spike of some sort OR B.) The once-a-day dosing really proved to be a lifesaver for running prolonged cycles with no suppression of HPTA with already mild compounds...

It was interesting to say the least.

-Matt

No signs of suppression is cool but was everything else good as well?

[MattPorter]

Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

-Matt

[gymguy21]

Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing and I guess I over looked it the first time I read his post. But yeah I've only heard of androhard and stano comparisons

[gymguy21]

If your intention is to hold on to the gains as long as possible, use BULK-UP. I've heard of A LOT of guys using AF products to hold on to their gains after doing test.

Yes I would like to keep gains but I mean how much is it gonna cost versus benefit. You know

[MattPorter]

No signs of suppression is cool but was everything else good as well?

I think I still might have lab work on file (who knows) --- but yes I assure you everything was just as good as before the cycle.

11-kt seems to be super mellow...

-Matt

[gymguy21]

Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

-Matt

Yeah I still need to make that convo happen with the doc about getting a full panel done.

[gymguy21]

I think I still might have lab work on file (who knows) --- but yes I assure you everything was just as good as before the cycle.

11-kt seems to be super mellow...

-Matt

Good to hear

[romangod]

Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.

I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.

[MattPorter]

I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.

I actually believe the conversion to DHT was nothing insane --- the conversions into the intermediates like 5a, 3a diol were very high

-Matt

[gymguy21]

I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.

So I'm guessing this is gyno tissue from puberty?

[gymguy21]

I actually believe the conversion to DHT was nothing insane --- the conversions into the intermediates like 5a, 3a diol were very high

-Matt

That's good to know. So has there been any talk of bringing back PP recently?

[romangod]

That's right. As we age the gland tissue becomes less dense, but easily intertwined with fat cells. It's a conundrum and a pisser.

[mich29]

this is why andro factory products are some of the best ph/ds to use they are safer you don't get super shutdown down and you still get the gains as they bros call it

[gymguy21]

this is why andro factory products are some of the best ph/ds to use they are safer you don't get super shutdown down and you still get the gains as they bros call it

Is a full pct necessary with Androfactory PH's ?

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Is a full pct necessary with Androfactory PH's ?

In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.

[gymguy21]

In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.

OK cool I looked up one of the cycle result in the Androfactory section. The guy gained 22 lbs over the cycle. Pretty impressive but I've also seen threads about comparable PP products and those results weren't that good.

[Androfactory]

A lot of guys take HCG during and after cycle

[gymguy21]

In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.

So you say its not as suppressive but what about gains? Are they comparable to methyl's? Strength gains good?

[Rhadam]

Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.

[romangod]

Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.

There has been some reported results in reducing gyno using DHT topical from Italy.