Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post

    Yea we would always play it safe with the recommendations (for the most part) -- but after 3 peoples blood work blowing my mind with no sign of suppression of hpta function -- it made me think that A.) this compound is extremely weak and perhaps the anti estrogenic/anti dht properties cause a testosterone spike of some sort OR B.) The once-a-day dosing really proved to be a lifesaver for running prolonged cycles with no suppression of HPTA with already mild compounds...

    It was interesting to say the least.

    -Matt
    No signs of suppression is cool but was everything else good as well?


  2. Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

    As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

    -Matt
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.
    Yeah I was wondering the same thing and I guess I over looked it the first time I read his post. But yeah I've only heard of androhard and stano comparisons

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    If your intention is to hold on to the gains as long as possible, use BULK-UP. I've heard of A LOT of guys using AF products to hold on to their gains after doing test.
    Yes I would like to keep gains but I mean how much is it gonna cost versus benefit. You know

  5. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    No signs of suppression is cool but was everything else good as well?

    I think I still might have lab work on file (who knows) --- but yes I assure you everything was just as good as before the cycle.

    11-kt seems to be super mellow...

    -Matt
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

    As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

    -Matt
    Yeah I still need to make that convo happen with the doc about getting a full panel done.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post

    I think I still might have lab work on file (who knows) --- but yes I assure you everything was just as good as before the cycle.

    11-kt seems to be super mellow...

    -Matt
    Good to hear

  8. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.
    I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.

    I actually believe the conversion to DHT was nothing insane --- the conversions into the intermediates like 5a, 3a diol were very high

    -Matt

  10. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    I was mistaken. The product was Androhard. The whole point was conversion to DHT.
    So I'm guessing this is gyno tissue from puberty?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post

    I actually believe the conversion to DHT was nothing insane --- the conversions into the intermediates like 5a, 3a diol were very high

    -Matt
    That's good to know. So has there been any talk of bringing back PP recently?

  12. That's right. As we age the gland tissue becomes less dense, but easily intertwined with fat cells. It's a conundrum and a pisser.

  13. this is why andro factory products are some of the best ph/ds to use they are safer you don't get super shutdown down and you still get the gains as they bros call it

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    this is why andro factory products are some of the best ph/ds to use they are safer you don't get super shutdown down and you still get the gains as they bros call it
    Is a full pct necessary with Androfactory PH's ?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post

    Is a full pct necessary with Androfactory PH's ?
    In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
    6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
    Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
    However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
    So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
    Use code "fl3x10" to get a free shirt with your purchase at Mind and Muscle

  16. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
    6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
    Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
    However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
    So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
    OK cool I looked up one of the cycle result in the Androfactory section. The guy gained 22 lbs over the cycle. Pretty impressive but I've also seen threads about comparable PP products and those results weren't that good.

  17. A lot of guys take HCG during and after cycle

  18. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
    6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
    Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
    However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
    So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
    So you say its not as suppressive but what about gains? Are they comparable to methyl's? Strength gains good?

  19. Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

    If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

    If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.
    There has been some reported results in reducing gyno using DHT topical from Italy.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

    If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.
    Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  22. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
    Sounds like PP revisited.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    Sounds like PP revisited.
    That's what I was thinking too. Some guys said they got pretty good gains from their products

  24. I just didn't know how they would compare to PP products

  25. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    I just didn't know how they would compare to PP products
    Maybe Matt Porter will weigh in here. He was a PP Rep.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    Maybe Matt Porter will weigh in here. He was a PP Rep.
    Lol Matt porter said drs recommend one of pp's products. He's as full of it as AF.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  27. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post

    Lol Matt porter said drs recommend one of pp's products. He's as full of it as AF.
    Yeah I think that is about the same time that I saw a guy say that they counciled him to run a 6 month run of androhard

  28. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    Yeah I think that is about the same time that I saw a guy say that they counciled him to run a 6 month run of androhard
    That was me!

  29. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    That was me!
    OK I remember now and yes it was

  30. So what did you ever end up doing about the gyno you had? Anything yet?
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