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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

    If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.
    Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
    Sounds like PP revisited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    Sounds like PP revisited.
    That's what I was thinking too. Some guys said they got pretty good gains from their products
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    I just didn't know how they would compare to PP products
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    I just didn't know how they would compare to PP products
    Maybe Matt Porter will weigh in here. He was a PP Rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    Maybe Matt Porter will weigh in here. He was a PP Rep.
    Lol Matt porter said drs recommend one of pp's products. He's as full of it as AF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post

    Lol Matt porter said drs recommend one of pp's products. He's as full of it as AF.
    Yeah I think that is about the same time that I saw a guy say that they counciled him to run a 6 month run of androhard
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    Yeah I think that is about the same time that I saw a guy say that they counciled him to run a 6 month run of androhard
    That was me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    That was me!
    OK I remember now and yes it was
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    So what did you ever end up doing about the gyno you had? Anything yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    So what did you ever end up doing about the gyno you had? Anything yet?
    I am trying to find a topical that may impact fat cells directly. Fat chance! My gyno is 40 years old and mostly stroma tissue which is similar to scar tissue. When this happens fat cells become interwoven with the stroma tissue. I am 13% bf overall, so it is hard to get at this area without going anorexic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
    I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
    You are confusing me or you are confused. I know I have read before and someone in this thread brought up dht being used to reduce gyno. Are you saying that's not true or are you saying their dhea couldn't convert to dht?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
    A low how? Backing claims with real world proof and studies on gyno prevention through DHT therapy is anything but a low.
    Should I accuse your company of being low because you feel the need to attack another company with no evidence to back it?
    I don't do that, because I choose to remain professional.
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    How bout somebody man up and just state the facts? Is there a topical DHT or a topical DHEA that converts to DHT that can reduce gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post

    You are confusing me or you are confused. I know I have read before and someone in this thread brought up dht being used to reduce gyno. Are you saying that's not true or are you saying their dhea couldn't convert to dht?
    I've used Androhard twice to reduce gyno that was caused from aromatizing compounds.
    The idea of running a DHT for 6 months to remove a long term case of gyno (over 5 years, right?) is very far fetched, and I will never recommend it. But short term gyno can be treated, and there are many people here who can testify to that.
    The choice to try it is the consumer's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    How bout somebody man up and just state the facts? Is there a topical DHT or a topical DHEA that converts to DHT that can reduce gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I've used Androhard twice to reduce gyno that was caused from aromatizing compounds.
    The idea of running a DHT for 6 months to remove a long term case of gyno (over 5 years, right?) is very far fetched, and I will never recommend it. But short term gyno can be treated, and there are many people here who can testify to that.
    The choice to try it is the consumer's.
    Thanks bro. I was taken on a royal ride via PP about 12 months ago.
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    Reduce =/= eliminate. Reduce =/= remove. Reduce =/= reverse.

    Let's call a spade a spade here. PP... sorry, i mean "Andro Factory" is citing DHEA for something that will compete or be better than pharmaceutical grade chemicals. I am well aware of the research behind DHT and gyno reduction, but it seems to me that PP's marketing tactics here are trying to convince consumers that their DHEA blend could possibly reverse gyno.

    What exactly do you mean by reverse? To me, that means elimination of tissue. If you want to clarify, and lay your cards on the table I would be grateful. This isn't an attack, this is a consumer trying to get to the bottom of an important issue facing the majority of AAS users.

    Edit: And nice editing of the thread title and OP. Cover your angus gentlemen.
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    I do not get Wtf the arguing is about. So it is generally accecpted dht reduces/may eliminate gyno. They argue their modified dhea converts to dht. Therefore their dhea reduces/eliminates gyno. It seems logical, is the issue it doesn't convert to dht? Or it does but not enough to be effective? I don't understand what the beef is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post
    I do not get Wtf the arguing is about. So it is generally accecpted dht reduces/may eliminate gyno. They argue their modified dhea converts dht. Therefore their dhea reduces/eliminates gyno. It seems logical, is the issue it doesn't convert to dht? Or it does but not enough to be effective? I don't understand what the beef is.
    The beef is that it can not eliminate gyno. Not even pharma AI's can do that.
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    Now I see what you saying, thanks for laying that out for me (srs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    The beef is that it can not eliminate gyno. Not even pharma AI's can do that.
    Once you have gyno only surgery really eliminates it. A dht or pharma Ai will only prevent/slow gyno and eliminate itchy puffy swollen nips
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Once you have gyno only surgery really eliminates it. A dht or pharma Ai will only prevent/slow gyno and eliminate itchy puffy swollen nips
    Yes, that's what we know. Not arguing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    Yes, that's what we know. Not arguing that.
    Repeating if for those in this thread that think a dhea metabolite will miraculously cure their gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    Yes, that's what we know. Not arguing that.
    Double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Repeating if for those in this thread that think a dhea metabolite will miraculously cure their gyno.
    Ah, got ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Ah, got ya.
    Then hopefully you won't be duped like I was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    Then hopefully you won't be duped like I was.
    You must have missed my posts in this thread if you think i would be duped by Primordial Performance on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tovok123 View Post
    ive had slight gyno for like 3 months now and my left nipple has been really puffy and lumpy, been taking bulk up for 11 days now and its no where near as puffy anymore and is quite hard...gyno is still there, but honestly it feels/looks better. I will see how it all pans out over the cycle, but oh lord if it gets worse in pct i will murder AF. haha
    Please don't do that
    The reducing effects you're seeing are exactly what I was taking about.
    If it goes away and then comes back in pct, that is due to an estrogen rebound. That can simply be avoided with a decent AI. Read-avoided, as in start that AI immediately in PCT instead of waiting for the sides to show up and then try chasing estrogen. That's always a losing battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    You must have missed my posts in this thread if you think i would be duped by Primordial Performance on anything.
    Just sayin bro.
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    There are a lot of really good post in these threads. I appreciate you guys taking the time to break it down and have a full detailed conversation for everyone. There are a lot of studies that show the DHT and DHEA can help with gyno and everybody's situation is different.
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    I can't post links so here is the title at the bottom and here is a quote. This also applies to letrozole. I read the full text on the letrozole study and the concentrations one can achieve in the skin, and breast tissue are much higher via transdermal.

    I bet it still wont be enough to get rid of old gyno but will be more helpful than oral and will avoid side effects.

    "High accumulation of the drug in the skin and muscle tissue beneath the patch application site was observed in mice compared with that after oral administration. These findings show that anastrozoletransdermal patches are an appropriate delivery system for application to the breast tumor region for site-specific drug delivery to obtain a high local drug concentration"



    Transdermal patches for site-specific delivery of anastrozole: In vitro and local tissue disposition evaluation.

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