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  1. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    How does bulk-up compare with Stano? Stano is dht based as well
    can't say I'm familiar with stano I'll bump this for other's to comment while i read up on stano


  2. Clear your messages so I can PM you Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    No problem V

    -Matt
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  3. Bump for posting and reciting article & studies. Let's get some more up to the home websites blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    Any product that you begin to see gyno with stop taking immediately.

    Estrogen... What about Gyno?


    All men have estrogen in their body. Outside studies show gyno has almost nothing to do with high estrogen. (17-22) In fact, this research shows that the most important indicator for gyno is the ratio of androgens to estrogens. (17-22) For example, if you have low estrogen, but even lower androgens, you are at a higher risk for gyno than
    someone who has high estrogens, with even higher androgens. Its all about the ratio.

    BULK-UPís Advanced DHEA Complex includes 4-DHEA with androsterone and epiandrosterone at a precise ratio to balance the androgenic and estrogenic activity for the lowest risk of gyno -- BULK-UP testers have reported to show no signs of gyno symptoms in 4, 6 and 8 week cycles.

    If you already have gyno, and are extremely sensitive to irritation, then you may be safer with BULK-UP -- due to its stronger androgenic action.

  4. Good stuff. I've been using DHT compounds for gyno prevention on cycle for the past couple years now.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Good stuff. I've been using DHT compounds for gyno prevention on cycle for the past couple years now.
    How have your experiences with dht and gyno prevention been?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post

    How have your experiences with dht and gyno prevention been?
    My last two cycles were the most notable as far as the benefits go.
    There was of course increased aggression, body temp, and vascularity.
    But my favorite thing was how well it reversed gyno that was caused early on in the cycle. I had painful lumps between pea and dime size under each nip and within four weeks after starting DHT treatment the lumps were completely gone and I had a harder appearance to my muscles
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    My last two cycles were the most notable as far as the benefits go.
    There was of course increased aggression, body temp, and vascularity.
    But my favorite thing was how well it reversed gyno that was caused early on in the cycle. I had painful lumps between pea and dime size under each nip and within four weeks after starting DHT treatment the lumps were completely gone and I had a harder appearance to my muscles
    This is good to hear as I'll be running stano as part of my next cycle. What did you run for the last two cycles?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post

    This is good to hear as I'll be running stano as part of my next cycle. What did you run for the last two cycles?
    Androhard and then Bulk-Up.
    What are your goals with the addition of stano?
    Gyno prevention? Strength?
    There are so many benefits from DHT compounds I don't know why more people don't take advantage of it!
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    Androhard and then Bulk-Up.
    What are your goals with the addition of stano?
    Gyno prevention? Strength?
    There are so many benefits from DHT compounds I don't know why more people don't take advantage of it!
    So I plan on running this for my next cycle

    1-andro 2/4/4/4/4
    Hdrol 0/0/50/75/75/75/100/100
    Stano 0/0/0/0/800/800/800/800/800/800

    Plus I already have all support supps and proper pct.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    Androhard and then Bulk-Up.
    What are your goals with the addition of stano?
    Gyno prevention? Strength?
    There are so many benefits from DHT compounds I don't know why more people don't take advantage of it!
    Gyno prevention would be good and strength as well. My main goal is to try and hold on to gains as much as possible.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post

    So I plan on running this for my next cycle

    1-andro 2/4/4/4/4
    Hdrol 0/0/50/75/75/75/100/100
    Stano 0/0/0/0/800/800/800/800/800/800

    Plus I already have all support supps and proper pct.
    Try this:

    1-andro 2/4/4/4/4
    Hdrol 50/75/75/75/100/100
    Stano 800/800/800/800/800/800

    It'll take a couple weeks for the hdrol effects to really take off. Meanwhile you will see the immediate effects from the 1-andro and the androgenic effects of the stano.
    By the time you stop the 1-andro the h-drol will be in full force and your stano well maintain a positive balance on libido while solidifying your gains.

    If you stopped the halo and continued stano for two weeks like originally planned, you might end up losing some size and strength due to diminishing glycogen stores. Pairing the two will help keep those gains.

    Also you will experience less sides overall and be recovered sooner to start another run.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    Try this:

    1-andro 2/4/4/4/4
    Hdrol 50/75/75/75/100/100
    Stano 800/800/800/800/800/800

    It'll take a couple weeks for the hdrol effects to really take off. Meanwhile you will see the immediate effects from the 1-andro and the androgenic effects of the stano.
    By the time you stop the 1-andro the h-drol will be in full force and your stano well maintain a positive balance on libido while solidifying your gains.

    If you stopped the halo and continued stano for two weeks like originally planned, you might end up losing some size and strength due to diminishing glycogen stores. Pairing the two will help keep those gains.

    Also you will experience less sides overall and be recovered sooner to start another run.
    OK thanks for the input man. Always good to hear from experienced guys

  13. Yeah my reasoning behind the bridging was that by the time I was off 1 compound, the other was kicked in

  14. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    Yeah my reasoning behind the bridging was that by the time I was off 1 compound, the other was kicked in
    ah i see glad this was addressed if you do a log I'd like to follow along

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post

    ah i see glad this was addressed if you do a log I'd like to follow along
    Oh I will log this for sure

  16. cool ill be on the look out
  17. Thumbs down Doesn't work


    When Primordial Performance was still around, I was counseled by Eric that their DHEA/DHT product would work against gyno. I did a full six months with NO results. Cost me $500. What the studies show with adolescent boys was done by injection. 3 weeks after finishing my 6 month ordeal, my dhea levels showed up as off the charts. My doc thought i had a tumor on my adrenal gland. (haha, not funny)

  18. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    When Primordial Performance was still around, I was counseled by Eric that their DHEA/DHT product would work against gyno. I did a full six months with NO results. Cost me $500. What the studies show with adolescent boys was done by injection. 3 weeks after finishing my 6 month ordeal, my dhea levels showed up as off the charts. My doc thought i had a tumor on my adrenal gland. (haha, not funny)
    6 months? Good lord what dose did you run? And you say it did nothing, so you mean no change in lump size? Or you saw no gains as far as strength or size? Could you explain a little more

  19. Androlean - 6 capsules each morning. No Change in size of tissue mass. I am 58 and have had this for 40 years, but still, tissue that attracts estrogen should have been blocked including fat cells. As far as strength and leaning out, not worth the journey! By the by, I am 12% bf, so I'm not some lardy lifter complaining about his fat titties.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    Androlean - 6 capsules each morning. No Change in size of tissue mass. I am 58 and have had this for 40 years, but still, tissue that attracts estrogen should have been blocked including fat cells. As far as strength and leaning out, not worth the journey! By the by, I am 12% bf, so I'm not some lardy lifter complaining about his fat titties.
    I can't believe he recommended such a long run. Are you on trt?
    Also with it being a 40 year problem I couldn't see it doing much for you.
    A couple year problem maybe, but not 40.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I can't believe he recommended such a long run. Are you on trt?
    Also with it being a 40 year problem I couldn't see it doing much for you.
    A couple year problem maybe, but not 40.
    Tell that to Eric. The study they did in Italy was with boys was 6 months of DHT injections. I'm not on trt, but do take boosters. Still crank out my own little swimmers!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post
    Androlean - 6 capsules each morning. No Change in size of tissue mass. I am 58 and have had this for 40 years, but still, tissue that attracts estrogen should have been blocked including fat cells. As far as strength and leaning out, not worth the journey! By the by, I am 12% bf, so I'm not some lardy lifter complaining about his fat titties.
    6 months at that dose I can't believe he said that was good for you either

  23. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    I can't believe he recommended such a long run. Are you on trt?
    Also with it being a 40 year problem I couldn't see it doing much for you.
    A couple year problem maybe, but not 40.
    Yeah I think it being a problem for that long that the only option would be surgery

  24. Quote Originally Posted by romangod View Post

    Tell that to Eric. The study they did in Italy was with boys was 6 months of DHT injections. I'm not on trt, but do take boosters. Still crank out my own little swimmers!
    This is a study and they were probably monitored by a doctor on a weekly basis

  25. 6 Androleans had minimal effect on major health parameters when I had a client run it for 16 weeks -- in fact his testosterone levels slightly increased and there was zero suppression or any noteworthy health precautions that were out of range.

    -Matt

  26. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    6 Androleans had minimal effect on major health parameters when I had a client run it for 16 weeks -- in fact his testosterone levels slightly increased and there was zero suppression or any noteworthy health precautions that were out of range.

    -Matt
    OK I understand androlean is the lightest product that PP had on the Andro line. But still 6 months seems a bit long. I mean I saw that it was recommended to do 8 week runs and sometimes 12 weeks

  27. interesting i had forgotten about this.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by gymguy21 View Post
    OK I understand androlean is the lightest product that PP had on the Andro line. But still 6 months seems a bit long. I mean I saw that it was recommended to do 8 week runs and sometimes 12 weeks
    Yea we would always play it safe with the recommendations (for the most part) -- but after 3 peoples blood work blowing my mind with no sign of suppression of hpta function -- it made me think that A.) this compound is extremely weak and perhaps the anti estrogenic/anti dht properties cause a testosterone spike of some sort OR B.) The once-a-day dosing really proved to be a lifesaver for running prolonged cycles with no suppression of HPTA with already mild compounds...

    It was interesting to say the least.

    -Matt
  29. Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno


    Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.

  30. If your intention is to hold on to the gains as long as possible, use BULK-UP. I've heard of A LOT of guys using AF products to hold on to their gains after doing test.
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