- 01-15-2013, 11:11 PM
- 01-15-2013, 11:17 PM
prop for 10 weeks with dbol, sd, or m1t kickstart for 4 weeks. id do sd personally. id also end with winny, epi, or var with favor being to winny or epi before var
01-15-2013, 11:17 PM
wow brah ur **** looks good I would do prop maybe up to 10 weeks pin EOD, good orals are dbol (can be watery) or helladrol, mayeb even epi if ur gyno prone cuse tht actually reducde my gyno, PCT should be Clomid Week1-2 at 100 mgs and then weeks 2-4 at 50 mgs also any natty test booster is very good to add u will need an AI like extremestane or aromasin so get on tht to maybe use nolva at 40 mgs a week in ur PCT for gyno rebound (if u get it)
01-15-2013, 11:18 PM
01-15-2013, 11:43 PM
01-16-2013, 05:59 PM
Right now, I am at 130lbs 5'4 13% bf. Would like to be 160 at 9-10% bf. Been training seriously for 5 months, came from 108lbs and i have a steady bulking diet down-3k cals a day.
01-16-2013, 06:04 PM
01-16-2013, 06:08 PM
You can get to 160 fairly easily Brah no need to hit anabolics yet. Also I don't know if I would do prop first. Not that I've ever done prop, it just seems like a lot of pins for a first timer.
01-16-2013, 06:13 PM
01-16-2013, 06:18 PM
01-16-2013, 06:24 PM
01-16-2013, 06:26 PM
01-16-2013, 06:27 PM
01-16-2013, 06:33 PM
It won't be easy or else think about it, everyone would be big and shredded. You've been bb'ing for 5 months only you've just scratched on your natural potential.
01-16-2013, 06:34 PM
01-16-2013, 06:34 PM
If you can't gain the weight without the anabolics, chances are you won't be able to keep the weight after the anabolics. Just eat and lift heavy man, you'll get there.
01-16-2013, 06:37 PM
Maybe "easy" wasn't the right word. Because real training and real eating is hard work. Still though, I think you can hit 160 without complicating things with anabolics. Food and heavy weights!
01-16-2013, 06:48 PM
oh, now i'm beginning to understand. If you guys are all saying that with good diet and proper training I have much more natty gains to come, then there must be a truth in that. I'll keep going at it hard everyday.
01-16-2013, 06:49 PM
he didnt mean easy, he ment possible with the right effort amd mentality, which you dont have. even with anabolics, you wont grow or keep anything you get because of your lack of commitment.
01-16-2013, 07:01 PM
Finally understanding the mental focus took awhile but when it finally hit me, it changed my training for good
01-16-2013, 07:09 PM
01-16-2013, 08:42 PM
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