[TruthWalker]

Thanks dude. Glad to hear your tren/sd cycle is going great! So, you're suggesting I get it in check first, or run the RC's during my cycle? I'm assuming you meant to clear up the gyno first, right?

Well, I had pretty bad gyno from my last cycle, so i got it down quite a bit first, but it was definitely not 100% gone when i started sd/trenavar. I started using the RC's about 2 days into my cycle because it was already flaring up and its been under control since then, and I am on day 18. So I guess its really up to you, but I would not see a problem with starting your cycle and running the RC's at the same time if your gyno is not too bad. Plus the sexual side effects of Caber are awesome!!!

[00S4Boy]

uh....

Unless everything I have read has been a lie.

antaeuslabs.com/trenazone.html

prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=Estra-4%2C9-diene-17b-ol-3-one+%28Dienolone%29&i=211

The old oral tren products used estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione(dienedione) which was banned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienedione

[jbryand101b]

Unless everything I have read has been a lie.

antaeuslabs.com/trenazone.html

prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=Estra-4%2C9-diene-17b-ol-3-one+%28Dienolone%29&i=211

The old oral tren products used estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione(dienedione) which was banned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienedione

[Hyde]

The old oral tren products used estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione(dienedione) which was banned.

19Nor bro, come on now

[00S4Boy]

I'm not trolling what am I missing here.

[jbryand101b]

nothing, your correct in what your saying, it's just funny you're saying that to me, thats all.

[DangerDave]

nothing, your correct in what your saying, it's just funny you're saying that to me, thats all.

Lol fact

[00S4Boy]

nothing, your correct in what your saying, it's just funny you're saying that to me, thats all.

All I was saying was what is the need to wish you had stocked up if the active is still available as a transderm, unless you despise transderms and only do orals.

[jbryand101b]

if you have to wonder this, then your quest for knowledge is still in the begining stages.

i'll give you a hint... epidermis permeability

[iparatroop]

if you have to wonder this, then your quest for knowledge is still in the begining stages.

i'll give you a hint... epidermis permeability

You're about to fry his brain.

[00S4Boy]

if you have to wonder this, then your quest for knowledge is still in the begining stages.

i'll give you a hint... epidermis permeability

Not gonna fry my brain epidermal permeability is basically the transdermal equivalent of oral bio availability.

[jbryand101b]

what is the difference between transdermal dienolone and pro dienolone?

[00S4Boy]

what is the difference between transdermal dienolone and pro dienolone?

So your reason I posted in post #38 you don't like transdermals.

[jbryand101b]

man, you really are new. this is getting old. newbs..


if you dont know the difference, quit trying to sound smart, and just say so bud.

[00S4Boy]

man, you really are new. this is getting old. newbs..


if you dont know the difference, quit trying to sound smart, and just say so bud.

Pro dienolone is an oral product that undergoes metabolism into dienolone, it is also now an illegal schedule 3 anabolic compound, Trenazone is active compound dienolone as a trandermal product you rub it on your skin and it absorbs into you, currently dienolone isn't schedule 3 anabolic compound but it does fall into the gray area.

I swear your just doing this to piss me off.

[jbryand101b]

sigh, well, i guess your right there, but that isn't important.

whats important is the small intestines unlimited absorbtion ability, and the skins limited absorbtion ability before it becomes saturated, and unable to absorb any more compound.

[iparatroop]

what is the difference between transdermal dienolone and pro dienolone?

Would the question be posed as "what is the difference between dienolone and dienedione?"?

[jbryand101b]

transdermals are great, but as far as topical dienolone vs dienedione, dienedione is better d/t being able to administer high dosages.

which is why I wish I had stocked up on ams dienedrone when I had the chance.

good stuff.

[00S4Boy]

sigh, well, i guess your right there, but that isn't important.

whats important is the small intestines unlimited absorbtion ability, and the skins limited absorbtion ability before it becomes saturated, and unable to absorb any more compound.

Ok and after your small intestine absorbs the dienedione supposedly only 6-10% of it is successful is being converted to the active dienolone. While Transdermal dienolone supposedly has a 60-70% absorption rate.

I don't know if any specific studies have been done to prove the claims of the 60-70% absorption rate but there have been reviews in favor of trenazone.

So ultimately it comes down to for one reason or another you don't like transdermals.

[iparatroop]

transdermals are great, but as far as topical dienolone vs dienedione, dienedione is better d/t being able to administer high dosages.

which is why I wish I had stocked up on ams dienedrone when I had the chance.

good stuff.

As far as transdermals being great, and since we're getting all scientific, wouldn't the greatness of transdermals be noticeably unpredictable based on the epidermal permeability barrier and it's fluctuation based on age and skin type (simply put)?

[00S4Boy]

As far as transdermals being great, and since we're getting all scientific, wouldn't the greatness of transdermals be noticeably unpredictable based on the epidermal permeability barrier and it's fluctuation based on age and skin type (simply put)?

The variables regarding absorption transdermal or oral are almost the same, just oral you have slightly more control over.

[jbryand101b]

if one helps to develop transdermal products to put out on the market, is that an indicator they dont like transdermals?

you said a key word, suposedly. I'll ask you to go find your research, and continue to learn. this isn't a debate unfortunately. im right, you are incorrect.
it has nothing to do with me likeing transdermals or not, it has to do with trying to help you learn accurate information (though I dont seem to be able to help you, might possibly be due to a learning disability)

conversion rates are funny, but 60-70% absorbtion rate is even funnier.

if you want to spend some time learning about dienolone, and prodienolone, among many other androgens, you can just read through my post history, that'll be much more accurate than the sites you listed earlier.

[hvactech]

Should educate your self before cycle, doesn't seem like you know what your doing.

lmfao! what a joke...