Hdrol/4ad- Beanstalk turned BEAST!!

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  1. Oh yes, it is time for me to break the ice. Did two Growth kits back to back this summer (so-so results, don't really consider it much of a "cycle") and it really made me want to try hdrol. I wanted to add the 4-ad for mood and libido, maybe gain a little more size. I'm 6'6", so not a little guy but have always been genetically thin. I've put on 40lbs all natty over the last 3+ years lifting like a MADMAN.

    Age: 29
    Current weight: 211 lbs
    BF 12%

    I'm right at that cusp to start looking like I set out to 3 years ago and what better way to blast into beast-mode than this?

    I run a 4 day split and use undulated periodization for the most part. While taking hdrol I'm going to put my cals 500-750 over maint and start running sprints or using LISS after lifting to minimize fat gains. My main outlook is eat HUGE and CRUSH VOLUME. I'm sure thats everyones mindset but I'm going to do this right and watch out for injuries. Psyched!!

    Hella 50/75/75/75/75... 75? (may go 6 depending on how I feel)
    4-ad 2/3/3/3/3/3 (May actually bump this up to 4ed, mid cycle)
    Multi
    Fish oil
    Cycle Support
    Taurine (if needed)

    PCT
    Nolva (may or may not use it depending, dont want any more sides than needed)
    AD-3 (Basically Erase with L-dopa)
    DAA
    Divanil


    So this is it, time to get results after years of being natty! Took my first dose yesterday


  2. The 4 AD is AMS?
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  3. Yes it is. Seemed to boost libido really well the first time I used it. We'll see how it works with a harsher cycle....

  4. I've always read people starting 1st cycles and having a great placebo effect the first couple days and I finally got to experience that yesterday when I hit the gym. Did back and bis and felt like I wanted to stay forever...

    Now, to continue taking creatine or wait until PCT??? It obviously works in a different pathway, I kind of feel like I'd rather just stay on it throughout both...

    Any advice on this or is it really as simple as save it til PCT to help save gains? Wouldn't you get even stronger on cycle WITH it?

  5. Yes. Keep the creatine.
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  6. Id keep it 75mgs all the way
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by ponysteak View Post
    Yes. Keep the creatine.
    Thanks, that makes more sense to me, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    Id keep it 75mgs all the way
    Yea, I feel completely fine from the first few days @ 50 so... 75mg it is from here on out. I bought Hella so I have 180 tabs

  8. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post

    Thanks, that makes more sense to me, too.

    Yea, I feel completely fine from the first few days @ 50 so... 75mg it is from here on out. I bought Hella so I have 180 tabs
    The reason why most drop creatine during cycle is to lessen the stress on the liver. Plus with strength increased on cycle you'll never notice the difference
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    The reason why most drop creatine during cycle is to lessen the stress on the liver. Plus with strength increased on cycle you'll never notice the difference
    Yea, I've read that reason as well.

    I can compromise... I'll keep it in there for two weeks until the hdrol starts to kick and then drop for 4 weeks it until PCT. I definitely notice a loss when I stop the creatine, so until I start benefiting from the cycle I'd like it in there.

  10. Today marks day 4. As early as it may be I have put on 2 lbs. Water? Is this usual with hdrol? 4ad didn't do that the first time I ran it...

    Recently Ive only been able to bench 225 about 3x before a spot but yesterday. Today I hit 5 slow and controlled and then squeezed out 2 more with very little help. Felt really good, a little too good. Placebo? It should be but I can't help to think that I may be feeling the 4ad bc my acne is starting to act up.

    It's only been about 3 months since my last 4ad dose, could it have built up quicker? Was def a few weeks to kick in the first time...

  11. Both times (running it again now) I put on a few lbs in the first few days. So yeah it's likely typical.

  12. Dude I would run 4 4AD in the AM and 4 4AD in the afternoon. I did two cycles using 4AD as my test base, more IS better.

    Be sure to use an an AI, I have a ton of Formestane and ran 100 mgs, started about a week in at a dosing eod. I had NO side effects except for a sore wife and 15lbs of gains in 6 weeks on my pplex run and 13lbs on my 8week 1T Tren run.

    Good luck, and GET BLOOD WORK!! BEFORE AND AFTER PCT NEVER GUESS. :-)

  13. I'm sure it is way better but thats a whole bottle of 4ad a week and that's more than I wanna spend. At that dose I can see why an AI would be needed but Im only taking it to keep libido and mood. Maybe Ill just go to 4 ed...

  14. Haha yeah, but if you want something close to real test do that much. Perhaps I have too much disposable income, check out my latest post about what I've come into recently :-)

  15. Out of curiosity, does it build up and kick in sooner at that high dose? Id assume so but wonder how much

  16. Not sure, didn't have the wherewithal to get blood panels drawn while on cycle. My qualified take, is when I got up to 8 a day I felt pretty fkn amazing without sides.

    So as much as test will ramp up over time irrespective of the dose (ie to get an oven to 400 degrees it still has to warm up), not bad to have a high level of exo test with your anabolic compound. I just think any of these orals are going to shut you down. With an exogenous test base at a solid high level your can't go wrong.

    Think about, it's really just hyper Dhea. So more is better to keep things going while running your oral. As long as you have a solid AI.

    Just pay attention to your body, and always getting blood works. Don't fk with anything that has yohimbine in it. That sht is toxic to the pulmonary system, and drastically so when on cycle due to LDL rise. :-)

    I haven't some post on here about my pplex run, with 4AD. Now until the end while at 8 a day did it really get going.

  17. I'm really just trying to get the feel of the hdrol for the first time before I go ramping up the test to levels where an AI is def needed. Just so I can appreciate the difference and the extra money spent. If I did decide to go up to 4-6 ED, should I take a 1/2 dose of erase ED just to be safe? I got up to taking 4 ED the last week of my last run and was fine but...

    Also, you said 4 am and 4 pm, I've always heard to take them spread out throughout the day. Does the halflife last long enough where it wouldn't really matter much? I don't really notice much of a direct effect after taking them but I'm not dosing too high.

  18. Anyone: At what level of 4ad dosing would an AI be necessary?

  19. Alright then.... moving on.



    Day 8

    Weight: 214.5 lbs +3.5

    No sides to report except acne, I'm a little prone but I can tell I have more going on right now. I think it is from the 4ad but I could be wrong. I almost feel it kicked in WAY faster than last time. Maybe because I just finished my first run of 1ad/4ad about 3 months ago, not sure. Could this still have been built in my system a little or maybe I just know what to look for now??

    Libido is above average and earlier this week at dinner, I had this calm warmth over me, almost as if I was on a painkiller or something. Sorta euphoric... maybe coincidence...

    Everything else seems pretty much normal except for the 3.5 lbs I've put on. I will say I when hit chest on Friday and was able to hit 225x5 (+2 with a light spot) where I normally havent gotten more than 3 in the last year. Can't be the Hella yet...

    Excited to get into week 2 and stay on the throttle. Keeping my eye on the prize

  20. So my sleep on Day 8 was absolutely crap. I had one last 3mg melatonin left and just as I was getting to sleep someone texted me and I snapped out of my drift into slumber to find myself missing my golden window and was up for most the night. I'm taking 1.5x 3g melatonin from here on out.

    I got more melatonin and went home yesterday and took a 2 hr nap and smashed dinner before getting an additional 8 hrs. Today marks day 10 and I'm ready to hit Back/Bis and do some intervals. Muscles feel full and hard these last few days. I guess I'm still a week or so away from seeing real gains...

  21. Nothing much to post about these first two weeks but now I'm getting into it a bit.

    DAY 16

    Weight: 216.5 +5.5lbs

    I know it doesn't seem like much, but I seem to be losing fat at the same time. Veins coming out in my arms/chest in new places and I'm starting to get excited about the upcoming weeks. From here on out I will start upping the volume and seeing if I can put up some PRs.

    Still running sprints or LISS after workouts which I usual don't do. Cals are nice and high even though I'm still eating pretty clean. May dirty up the diet a bit and see if I can't grow even more.

    This is my first Hdrol cycle so PLEASE: Live vicariously through me and tell me what you would have told yourself during your first run. I'd appreciate any comments or tips.

  22. As of yesterday, I can officially say Hella has kicked in.... and it feels AWESOME!

    2 weeks ago my PR bb bench was 225x3... Yesterday I threw up 6 reps like nobodies business and then squeaked out 2 more with a little help. The ways things look now, I may just set a goal of benching my body weight 10x and @ 6'6" I used to feel like this was years away.

    I feel like I have an even deeper motivation sweeping over me, I'm looking forward to posting up the before and afters already. Starting to have people notice my size that I've seen within a months time and not even half way done.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    So my sleep on Day 8 was absolutely crap. I had one last 3mg melatonin left and just as I was getting to sleep someone texted me and I snapped out of my drift into slumber to find myself missing my golden window and was up for most the night. I'm taking 1.5x 3g melatonin from here on out.

    I got more melatonin and went home yesterday and took a 2 hr nap and smashed dinner before getting an additional 8 hrs. Today marks day 10 and I'm ready to hit Back/Bis and do some intervals. Muscles feel full and hard these last few days. I guess I'm still a week or so away from seeing real gains...

    Yo man if you have any issues with sleeping, I HIGHLY recommend running 10mgs - 15mgs of Melatonin (btw you can take Melatonin with pre workout as it helps with GH secretion but that's a whole other post); and 1/2 - 1 scoop Somatomax. You WILL sleep great!

    Keep hitting those weights hard, DEFINITELY throw in some rest pause sets dude, and I'd do a few GVT days too.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    As of yesterday, I can officially say Hella has kicked in.... and it feels AWESOME!

    2 weeks ago my PR bb bench was 225x3... Yesterday I threw up 6 reps like nobodies business and then squeaked out 2 more with a little help. The ways things look now, I may just set a goal of benching my body weight 10x and @ 6'6" I used to feel like this was years away.

    I feel like I have an even deeper motivation sweeping over me, I'm looking forward to posting up the before and afters already. Starting to have people notice my size that I've seen within a months time and not even half way done.
    cant wait to hdrol kicks in for me ! im on day 5 as of today and this is my first ph cycle . i deff had that placebo effect the first 2 days i was on it just cause ive never done anything like this . was throwing around the 125 dumbbells on flat bench like nothing . day 3 was good day 4 i didnt feel anything >< maybe cause i did legs .crazy squats >< .

  25. I hear ya on the being tall and genetically thin :\ lol... good luck with the rest of ur cycle. I'd say BWx10 benchpress is a great goal (was one of mine)
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by beastmode1987 View Post

    cant wait to hdrol kicks in for me ! im on day 5 as of today and this is my first ph cycle . i deff had that placebo effect the first 2 days i was on it just cause ive never done anything like this . was throwing around the 125 dumbbells on flat bench like nothing . day 3 was good day 4 i didnt feel anything >< maybe cause i did legs .crazy squats >< .
    Yea man it def takes a few weeks. Seems like its still creeping up on me on day 19. Best is stll to come. Rest day today and then I'm feeling really good about hitting legs tomorrow. May throw in some brutal 20 rep squats

  27. are you going to run a SERM cause I think if you plan to have kids one day id def be running Torem.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Kingmjb View Post
    are you going to run a SERM cause I think if you plan to have kids one day id def be running Torem.
    why torem
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  29. So everyone who doesn't use a SERM for hdrol cant have kids now?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    So everyone who doesn't use a SERM for hdrol cant have kids now?
    No that is not the case, however you should run a serm. It also helps you keep the gains and not waste them. OTC boosters and AI product will not help as much as a SERM with a quality DAA product or Raw. Post is more important then the cycle you run.
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