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How completely RIDICULOUS of a cycle would this be. I'm currently running SARMS (Osta/Mk677) and I've ran Epistane and M1D before. I already know how crazy it sounds, but I'm not dosing high at all. I want an insane 8 week cycle, to do some WORK. (Log is coming.)

I'm preloading:
*** Liver Support
Milk Thistle
NAC
Animal Pak (CoQ10/Hawthorne inside)

Cycle:
SD 20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/0/90/90/90/90/90
Exemestane: EOD
LongJack: All cycle to try to slow teste atrophy.
Possibly some HCG? I can keep 5000iu pretty cheap.. Opinions on that?
Liver Support/Animal Pak
Might keep some Ostarine in there..

PCT:
Running the Aromasin through.
Torem: 120/120/90/60
Ostarine: 15/15/15/15
MK677: 25/25/25/25
Cellucore ZMA
SNS DAA
Continuing Liver Supper, etc

I've read to taper and I've also been told not to? I feel it will help with the hepatoxicity to not just overload my liver. And stretch the cycle out a little more.

I'm going to Bulk it up like mad the first 4 weeks and recomp the last 4.
Opinions??

Since I know it's coming:
Yes, I'm 21. I already know what you're going to say. I'm also 6'4" and 240, and about to be 22. I did my Epistane cycle at 19 because I was stupid and had no clue what I was taking. I have been 6'4 since then. I've been told I'm done growing. I would wait till I was 23 otherwise. But it's only a year.
Now, I'm wanting to be more competitive..

This would be an EPIC log.
Opinions?
 
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How completely RIDICULOUS of a cycle would this be. I'm currently running SARMS (Osta/Mk677) and I've ran Epistane and M1D before. I already know how crazy it sounds, but I'm not dosing high at all. I want an insane 8 week cycle, to do some WORK. (Log is coming.)

I'm preloading:
*** Liver Support
Milk Thistle
NAC
Animal Pak (CoQ10/Hawthorne inside)

Cycle:
SDrol: 20/20/30/20/20/0/0/0
Epistane: 0/0/0/20/20/30/20/20
M14ADD: 0/30/30/60/60/30/30/0
Exemestane: EOD
LongJack: All cycle to try to slow teste atrophy.
Possibly some HCG? I can keep 5000iu pretty cheap.. Opinions on that?
Liver Support/Animal Pak
Might keep some Ostarine in there..

PCT:
Running the Aromasin through.
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Ostarine: 15/15/15/15
MK677: 25/25/25/25
Cellucore ZMA
SNS DAA
Continuing Liver Supper, etc

I've read to taper and I've also been told not to? I feel it will help with the hepatoxicity to not just overload my liver. And stretch the cycle out a little more.

I'm going to Bulk it up like mad the first 4 weeks and recomp the last 4.
Opinions??

Since I know it's coming:
Yes, I'm 21. I already know what you're going to say. I'm also 6'4" and 240, and about to be 22. I did my Epistane cycle at 19 because I was stupid and had no clue what I was taking. I have been 6'4 since then. I've been told I'm done growing. I would wait till I was 23 otherwise. But it's only a year.
Now, I'm wanting to be more competitive..

This would be an EPIC log.
Opinions?
I would do it like this.
Superdrol: 20/20/20/0/0/0/0/0
Epistane: 0/0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14ADD: 0/0/0/90/90/90/90/90

Since you have epistane there's no need for an ai.
 
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I would do it like this.
Superdrol: 20/20/20/0/0/0/0/0
Epistane: 0/0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14ADD: 0/0/0/90/90/90/90/90

Since you have epistane there's no need for an ai.
Thanks for the reply brother!!

Here's the thing:
I don't have enough EPI to run 40 that long.
And that wouldn't even be .5 of the Superdrol I have. I'm not doing any more oral cycles after this.. So I want to hit it and quit it with what I have ya know.
You think I should just run the M1 at 90 the last 5 weeks? Interesting.. That will be considered.

It's going to be Disgusting.
 
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If you don't have what you need for a proper cycle, don't cycle. Don't have a half-ass experience with half-ass results that take the full time, health, and money on supports/pct that any cycle would. If you're going to do it, get what you need. I ran the cheapest Epi I could find, 25 bux shipped for 90 10mg caps. Had fantastic results and a great cycle. So don't cheat yourself out of a properly dosed cyle over 25 dollars. The sdrol you have left can EASILY be sold off to others to compensate for your extra expense. The previous poster's revised layout was much better IMHO.

Just want you to get the most out of your experience is all I'm saying brother.
 
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If you don't have what you need for a proper cycle, don't cycle. Don't have a half-ass experience with half-ass results that take the full time, health, and money on supports/pct that any cycle would. If you're going to do it, get what you need. I ran the cheapest Epi I could find, 25 bux shipped for 90 10mg caps. Had fantastic results and a great cycle. So don't cheat yourself out of a properly dosed cyle over 25 dollars. The sdrol you have left can EASILY be sold off to others to compensate for your extra expense. The previous poster's revised layout was much better IMHO.

Just want you to get the most out of your experience is all I'm saying brother.
Thanks for the reply!^

I have 90 10 mg caps. That doesn't stretch THAT long. Are you saying to order another bottle?
I understand what you're saying. I have all of the on cycle/post cycle support I need. I don't mind ordering more Epi at all.
Half of my question is WHY to dose it the way proposed. Not against. I appreciate any and all feedback. I HAVE done plenty of research and mine led me to the layout I planned. I planned the Dosing to peak on SD while low M1D while I've read logs of guys doing high doses of both. (Didn't want to go there.) I also planned the M1D to peak when Epi wasnt full dose.
I most likely WILL change my layout to whatever is BEST. Believe me, I'm all about results, and feedback.

Questions:
Why not taper doses?
Why only 3 Weeks low dose Super?
Why not run M1D dead center of cycle?

Thanks!!
 

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Thanks for the reply!^

I have 90 10 mg caps. That doesn't stretch THAT long. Are you saying to order another bottle?
I understand what you're saying. I have all of the on cycle/post cycle support I need. I don't mind ordering more Epi at all.
Half of my question is WHY to dose it the way proposed. Not against. I appreciate any and all feedback. I HAVE done plenty of research and mine led me to the layout I planned. I planned the Dosing to peak on SD while low M1D while I've read logs of guys doing high doses of both. (Didn't want to go there.) I also planned the M1D to peak when Epi wasnt full dose.
I most likely WILL change my layout to whatever is BEST. Believe me, I'm all about results, and feedback.

Questions:
Why not taper doses?
Why only 3 Weeks low dose Super?
Why not run M1D dead center of cycle?

Thanks!!
You obviously haven't run super if you think 3 weeks at 20mg isn't good.
 
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Yep, order another bottle. Never taper down; the body only gets less sensitive as the cycle progresses so lowering dosage should only be done if sides become unmanageable since you'll be backpeddling really otherwise. SD is dimethylated; you're wanting to run 8 wks of methyls here which is on the serious end of the field man - better to be a bit conservative. The above layout uses the SD (which acts fast) to kick start your mass gains while the epi and m14ad take more time to build up but come in to solidify your gains. Only thing is you need to bridge this properly, at least a week of overlap if not two. Maybe SD at 4 wks (first example) or if you care about your liver 3 wks and Epi and m1d moved fwd another week (bottom).

SD 20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

or (safer)
SD 20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

The top example is just too heavy for my taste; the bottom is still serious business and may still exact more of a toll than this cycle is worth.

Have you considered a 4wk sdrol cycle at 20-30 mg or a 6 wk epi/m14ad cycle? Both will swell you up nice and are more reasonable.
 
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Yep, order another bottle. Never taper down; the body only gets less sensitive as the cycle progresses so lowering dosage should only be done if sides become unmanageable since you'll be backpeddling really otherwise. SD is dimethylated; you're wanting to run 8 wks of methyls here which is on the serious end of the field man - better to be a bit conservative. The above layout uses the SD (which acts fast) to kick start your mass gains while the epi and m14ad take more time to build up but come in to solidify your gains. Only thing is you need to bridge this properly, at least a week of overlap if not two. Maybe SD at 4 wks (first example) or if you care about your liver 3 wks and Epi and m1d moved fwd another week (bottom).

SD 20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

or (safer)
SD 20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

The top example is just too heavy for my taste; the bottom is still serious business and may still exact more of a toll than this cycle is worth.

Have you considered a 4wk sdrol cycle at 20-30 mg or a 6 wk epi/m14ad cycle? Both will swell you up nice and are more reasonable.
Makes too much sense. Thanks brother. Would it be OVERKILL to push SD to 30? I've heard 30 is the sweetspot for people 235+ in weight. (May be false. I read it in a "All about superdrol" post on another forum.)

So:
SD 30/30/30/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

I changed the Nolva to Torem for PCT. Just ordered it now..
 

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Makes too much sense. Thanks brother. Would it be OVERKILL to push SD to 30? I've heard 30 is the sweetspot for people 235+ in weight. (May be false. I read it in a "All about superdrol" post on another forum.)

So:
SD 30/30/30/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/40/40/40/40/40
M14AD 0/0/90/90/90/90/90-120

I changed the Nolva to Torem for PCT. Just ordered it now..
Trust me if I were you I would keep it at 20mg.
And you know the torem dose right?
 
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Trust me if I were you I would keep it at 20mg.
And you know the torem dose right?
Torem: 120/120/90/60

^ This sound good?


And ok boss. Sounds money. Are you recommending 20 because of the Liver Toxicity?
 

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Torem: 120/120/90/60

^ This sound good?

And ok boss. Sounds money. Are you recommending 20 because of the Liver Toxicity?
Go 120/90/60/30
And 20 because of the liver and most people run SD at 10/20/20 their first cycle and that is more than enough. The side effects will get bad 3 weeks at 30mg.
 
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Go 120/90/60/30
And 20 because of the liver and most people run SD at 10/20/20 their first cycle and that is more than enough. The side effects will get bad 3 weeks at 30mg.
You're the man Mill. Will Do. You better get in that log son.
 

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