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    With this for OTC PCT what PH do you sugest?


    Hi there!

    I've ordered a bottle of Erase few months ago and I'm waiting for the best time to use it so I was wondering if I could use it for an OTC PCT since I have no access to SERM's (I live in Europe) and can't use DAA (I have epilepsy and it increases my seizure frequency, the last one was when I was on it), so is there a PH I can use that Erase serves right as one element of an OTC PCT (thinking on the lines of Delta-2, Alpha Bulk, etc)? Also, if so what else could I add to my PCT to those PH considering my situation?

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    Maybe M1D black by LG sciences
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Maybe M1D black by LG sciences
    Contains 5-DHEA wich is a GABA(a) antagonist, wich increases the incindence of seizures on me. This trait is shared for all delta-5-3b-ol steroids, wich makes epiandrosterone another one that I can't take. Any other sugestions guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hi there!

    I've ordered a bottle of Erase few months ago and I'm waiting for the best time to use it so I was wondering if I could use it for an OTC PCT since I have no access to SERM's (I live in Europe) and can't use DAA (I have epilepsy and it increases my seizure frequency, the last one was when I was on it), so is there a PH I can use that Erase serves right as one element of an OTC PCT (thinking on the lines of Delta-2, Alpha Bulk, etc)? Also, if so what else could I add to my PCT to those PH considering my situation?
    You don't need a PH. Build a sick natty stack with erase. There is plenty of natty stuff that will give you amazing results as long as diet and training are legit.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    You don't need a PH. Build a sick natty stack with erase. There is plenty of natty stuff that will give you amazing results as long as diet and training are legit.
    What can I add then to built such "sick natty stack"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hi there!

    I've ordered a bottle of Erase few months ago and I'm waiting for the best time to use it so I was wondering if I could use it for an OTC PCT since I have no access to SERM's (I live in Europe) and can't use DAA (I have epilepsy and it increases my seizure frequency, the last one was when I was on it), so is there a PH I can use that Erase serves right as one element of an OTC PCT (thinking on the lines of Delta-2, Alpha Bulk, etc)? Also, if so what else could I add to my PCT to those PH considering my situation?
    Erase may be a decent substitute for a handfull of Prohormones on the market. You don't have to have a SERM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Erase may be a decent substitute for a handfull of Prohormones on the market. You don't have to have a SERM.
    Hum, that's an interesting point of view. And wich would be the ones who's effects are comparable to the ones of Erase? And yes, I know I don't need it, but the options to it in terms of a solid OTC PCT aren't that much to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hum, that's an interesting point of view. And wich would be the ones who's effects are comparable to the ones of Erase? And yes, I know I don't need it, but the options to it in terms of a solid OTC PCT aren't that much to me.
    Erase/endosurge stack bridged to formasurge. Or erase/endosurge/anabeta.

    No pct required and all gains are keepable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hum, that's an interesting point of view. And wich would be the ones who's effects are comparable to the ones of Erase? And yes, I know I don't need it, but the options to it in terms of a solid OTC PCT aren't that much to me.
    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
    Very true man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post

    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    Erase/endosurge stack bridged to formasurge. Or erase/endosurge/anabeta.

    No pct required and all gains are keepable.
    Regarding the add of Anabeta and Endosurge, call me skeptical but I don't buy plant based supplements because I never saw any papers showing their effectiveness. With plant based I mean extracts, wich is all of them contain, not the actuall isolated chemical that appears on lab research.
    The Erase bridge to Formasurge sure seems more reliable cycle, but wouldn't it be suppressing estrogen for too long?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
    Oh ok, I understood all the way around. And what would be the OTC PCT in wich Erase would be on it you'd run, considering the DAA restriction? Also, what other PH beside H-drol and P-mag/Mecha (they are about the same) would you feel comfortable to use with such PCT? Is there any wet compound suitable to that PCT?
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    Hi Broly,

    you dont need serms for every cycle. There are a lot of oppurtunities where an OTC PCT might be enough. You could run

    -Osta RX for 4-8 weeks
    -Alpha Mass for 4-6 weeks
    -Mechabol for 4 weeks
    -11-Oxo/Stanodrol solo or stacked for 4-8 weeks

    Have a look into 6-Bromo or Formestane, both solo or stacked with a test bosster like Fadogia.
    There are a bunch of possibilities.
    The Killer Stack would consist of Osta RX, Erase OR 6-Bromo OR Formestane AND a test bosster
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    Hi Broly,

    you dont need serms for every cycle. There are a lot of oppurtunities where an OTC PCT might be enough. You could run

    -Osta RX for 4-8 weeks
    -Alpha Mass for 4-6 weeks
    -Mechabol for 4 weeks
    -11-Oxo/Stanodrol solo or stacked for 4-8 weeks

    Have a look into 6-Bromo or Formestane, both solo or stacked with a test bosster like Fadogia.
    There are a bunch of possibilities.
    The Killer Stack would consist of Osta RX, Erase OR 6-Bromo OR Formestane AND a test bosster
    I've used 6-bromo in the past, it's good stuff alright but have had a drop in libido, not as much as with ATD/3-OHAT combo but still some with nice strength gains. Formestane is something that were more appealing to me but since it acts as a light 5a-reductase inhibitor and I like the androgenic feeling that increased testosterone gives me it kind of makes a second option in the department of "standalone AI's to try"

    Regarding the PH's and SARM you've mentioned, despite never done a cycle, my favourites are Mechabol because it's an active hormone with no needs to convert into something else and is somewhat more wet than the other 3 you've mentioned and Osta RX because it seems to have less suppressive potential, less hepatoxicity and has the estrogen increase wich is good when it comes to nice lean mass gains. So to those two what's the best dosing and what should I add to Erase for PCT for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    -Alpha Mass for 4-6 weeks
    Wouldn't Alpha Bulk, highly dosed, a better bet for a first since it converts into testosterone, the golden standard of all AAS or is it so light that it would be desapointing?
    Honestly I didn't mentioned Alpha Mass, despite I know the lethargy side is a plus for my seizure condition because it's caused du to the fact that 1-androsterone is a GABA(a) agonist (wich does not induce seizures and causes lazyness/lethargy), but I didn't mentioned it due to the libido down side some say it has but never heared if it's that bad like Dienolone and other 19-nor's or just the "normal" libido drop like any other steroid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hi there!

    I've ordered a bottle of Erase few months ago and I'm waiting for the best time to use it so I was wondering if I could use it for an OTC PCT since I have no access to SERM's (I live in Europe) and can't use DAA (I have epilepsy and it increases my seizure frequency, the last one was when I was on it), so is there a PH I can use that Erase serves right as one element of an OTC PCT (thinking on the lines of Delta-2, Alpha Bulk, etc)? Also, if so what else could I add to my PCT to those PH considering my situation?
    Lawls, just research and buy a serm.

    But since your going to more exspensive way, sh*tter way..

    Formasurge or 6-bromo with something like Bulbine would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitless3679 View Post
    Lawls, just research and buy a serm.

    But since your going to more exspensive way, sh*tter way..

    Formasurge or 6-bromo with something like Bulbine would be nice.
    Yeah buddy, done that and talked with friends who've done it. Know what? They got it stuck at the customs! That isn't that simple as it seems, my country laws regarding SERMs are pretty strict even for research purposes I need a document, either from an university or other official entity to justify the SERM's purpose so simply ordering a SERM from a research chemical site isn't enough to get them.

    No need to be rude, specially when you don't say nothing related to what the thread is about or don't know my country's laws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Yeah buddy, done that and talked with friends who've done it. Know what? They got it stuck at the customs! That isn't that simple as it seems, my country laws regarding SERMs are pretty strict even for research purposes I need a document, either from an university or other official entity to justify the SERM's purpose.
    Order again, steroids along with a sh*t load of other stuff get past customs daily. They are also only for research purposes in the USA/UK etc..

    You could always join a spanish forum or Portuguese forum build up a reasonable post count and send a sh*tload of pms


    I'm not being rude and your country's laws on serms are the same as mine. On a second note, I did contribute.
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    Obviously we are all alpha males here and swole as ****. I know for a fact when I walk into a room I own the situation. I could literally physical dominate anyone in the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitless3679 View Post
    Order again, steroids along with a sh*t load of other stuff get past customs daily. They are also only for research purposes in the USA/UK etc..

    You could always join a spanish forum or Portuguese forum build up a reasonable post count and send a sh*tload of pms


    I'm not being rude by the way and your country's laws on serms are the same as mine. On a second note, I did contribute.
    Sorry if I missinterpreted the way you posted. I'm not willing to gamble with money just for trying to get one of the SERMs passed right through the customs.

    Never trusted any source in here. I've been around many portuguese forums, none of them could show me the origin of the SERMs they get so that I could have the guaranty that it's legit, so I end up at where I've started.

    Sorry if I missinterpreted the way you posted, didn't meant to be offensive. Do you mind I ask wich country are you from? And no you didn't, the thread isn't about SERMs or it's use is about the possibility to use Erase as an OTC PCT, SERM's aren't the main subject of discussion here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Regarding the add of Anabeta and Endosurge, call me skeptical but I don't buy plant based supplements because I never saw any papers showing their effectiveness. With plant based I mean extracts, wich is all of them contain, not the actuall isolated chemical that appears on lab research.
    The Erase bridge to Formasurge sure seems more reliable cycle, but wouldn't it be suppressing estrogen for too long?
    I'll vouch for Anabeta. Endosurge too for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    So to those two what's the best dosing and what should I add to Erase for PCT for them?
    Mechabol with OTC PCT: 4 weeks at 75mg
    Osta RX: 8 weeks at 20mg (3 caps)

    PCT could consist of Erase+Fadogia (e.g. Bioforge Promax Phase II), if DAA is no option for you.
    Or you could run the Osta together with low dosed Erase, which will minimize suppression of the Osta due to estrogen rise.
    Then you could simply run BioForge V3 after (3-4 caps per day) as PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Wouldn't Alpha Bulk, highly dosed, a better bet for a first since it converts into testosterone, the golden standard of all AAS or is it so light that it would be desapointing?
    Honestly I didn't mentioned Alpha Mass, despite I know the lethargy side is a plus for my seizure condition because it's caused du to the fact that 1-androsterone is a GABA(a) agonist (wich does not induce seizures and causes lazyness/lethargy), but I didn't mentioned it due to the libido down side some say it has but never heared if it's that bad like Dienolone and other 19-nor's or just the "normal" libido drop like any other steroid.
    Alpha Bulk solo could be disappointing compared to Alpha Mass. Then it also raises estrogen which can also be very suppressive. Im one week in an 1-Andro based product and libido is very high. Lethargy is zero, quite the opppsite is the fact. I feel very anxious/stimulated and have a higher heartrate than usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    Mechabol with OTC PCT: 4 weeks at 75mg
    Osta RX: 8 weeks at 20mg (3 caps)

    PCT could consist of Erase+Fadogia (e.g. Bioforge Promax Phase II), if DAA is no option for you.
    Or you could run the Osta together with low dosed Erase, which will minimize suppression of the Osta due to estrogen rise.
    Then you could simply run BioForge V3 after (3-4 caps per day) as PCT.
    Hum, the last one seems very apealing to since it isn't steroid based so less suppression is supposed to happen I was thinking about:
    Osta RX: 20mg week 1-8
    Erase: 25mg week 6-8 and then 50mg week 9-11

    or

    Osta RX: 20mg week 1-8
    Erase: 25mg week 1-8 and then 50mg week 9-10

    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    Alpha Bulk solo could be disappointing compared to Alpha Mass. Then it also raises estrogen which can also be very suppressive. Im one week in an 1-Andro based product and libido is very high. Lethargy is zero, quite the opppsite is the fact. I feel very anxious/stimulated and have a higher heartrate than usual.
    Hum, never thought about the suppressive side of Alpha Bulk via increased estrogen. Ostarine also increases it but rather stimulates its production within the body's normal range than raising it to supraphysiologic levels.
    Hum, really? I rarely hear such review from 1-androsterone products but still is week one on your cycle there's plenty of time to the sides settle in (hopefully not but better be prepared). Btw wich product are you using and at wich dose?
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    Countryman, excuse the ignorance but where h-drol or get yourself osta-rx etc in our country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hum, the last one seems very apealing to since it isn't steroid based so less suppression is supposed to happen I was thinking about:
    Osta RX: 20mg week 1-8
    Erase: 25mg week 6-8 and then 50mg week 9-11

    or

    Osta RX: 20mg week 1-8
    Erase: 25mg week 1-8 and then 50mg week 9-10

    What do you think?
    I did 5 weeks of Osta RX, started at 2 caps per day and then bumped to 3 caps per day. I took one capsule of Erase Pro every other day ( equals to 1 1/2 caps of original Erase per day). So i would say go with Osta RX 1-8, Erase 1-2 caps per day and continue Erase into PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hum, never thought about the suppressive side of Alpha Bulk via increased estrogen. Ostarine also increases it but rather stimulates its production within the body's normal range than raising it to supraphysiologic levels.
    Hum, really? I rarely hear such review from 1-androsterone products but still is week one on your cycle there's plenty of time to the sides settle in (hopefully not but better be prepared). Btw wich product are you using and at wich dose?
    product is called Mass AD and i use 3 caps per day. its not very known and quite new, google it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    I did 5 weeks of Osta RX, started at 2 caps per day and then bumped to 3 caps per day. I took one capsule of Erase Pro every other day ( equals to 1 1/2 caps of original Erase per day). So i would say go with Osta RX 1-8, Erase 1-2 caps per day and continue Erase into PCT
    So how was your cycle structured in terms of amount of Osta RX pills per day in each week of that 5 week period? How were the gains and the sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    product is called Mass AD and i use 3 caps per day. its not very known and quite new, google it up.
    I know it and as far as I know it isn't 1-androsterone but 1-androstenediol, wich is alot different (1-step PH to 1-testosterone instead of the 2-step Ph to 1-test that 1-androsterone is)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    So how was your cycle structured in terms of amount of Osta RX pills per day in each week of that 5 week period? How were the gains and the sides?
    ran the last 18 days at 3 caps mate. before at 2 caps per day. sides were not existant, gains were very subtle. not the best compound for strength gains though. wouldnt run it less than 8 weeks and less than 3 caps!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    ran the last 18 days at 3 caps mate. before at 2 caps per day. sides were not existant, gains were very subtle. not the best compound for strength gains though. wouldnt run it less than 8 weeks and less than 3 caps!!!
    Hum, sounds pretty neat regarding the side effect-free status you give to it, but still with such subtle gains kind of makes me wonder what would be the next best thing right close to it?
    I'm currently training for strength (5x5 aproach) but some lean size is always welcomed since it helps with strength too, so next to Osta RX in the ranks, considering the lightness of the PCT I have, what else would you advise me to?
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    alphamass or mechabol for 4 weeks mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
    hdrol... but at what dose and for how long max?

    I know everyone is different but it seems like the golden rule is +5 wks @ 75= SERM. I'm doing and hella/ 4ad (AMS RDe) run right now and may try OTC for a 5-6 week @ 75mg. Doesn't seem so out of reach but I will have Nolva on hand because its my first "actual" suppressive cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Sorry my post came out weird. What i meant to say was Erase may be a decent substitute for a SERM when run in conjunction with certain prohormones. You don't always have to use a SERM after a steroid cycle. I'd run p-mag/hdrol no problem with an OTC PCT.
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    6 weeks of hdrol at 50/75/75/75/75/75-100 will give you great gains with minimal shutdown. Id have some other test booster on hand as people say erase tends to crush libido. This was not my experience tho..
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    alphamass or mechabol for 4 weeks mate
    ehhhh. mecha should be ran longer than 4 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    alphamass or mechabol for 4 weeks mate
    Each at what dose? And about Mass AD, is it what I think it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Hi there!

    I've ordered a bottle of Erase few months ago and I'm waiting for the best time to use it so I was wondering if I could use it for an OTC PCT since I have no access to SERM's (I live in Europe) and can't use DAA (I have epilepsy and it increases my seizure frequency, the last one was when I was on it), so is there a PH I can use that Erase serves right as one element of an OTC PCT (thinking on the lines of Delta-2, Alpha Bulk, etc)? Also, if so what else could I add to my PCT to those PH considering my situation?
    I would look into frl or ams stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I would look into frl or ams stuff.
    Alpha Mass and Alpha Bulk have been talked here earlier in this thread mate
    Btw what's your opinion? I'm thinking of a solo compound not stacking as it is my first cycle
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