best steroid for strength
- 12-05-2004, 06:58 PM
- 12-05-2004, 07:01 PM
- 12-05-2004, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Funny Monkey
yep i heard fina is best AAS sor both mass and strength gains.
im afriad to try it, since i hear it has many harsh sides. but i assume it wont be as bad as M1T.
12-05-2004, 07:05 PM
12-05-2004, 07:10 PM
tren looks good, but i don't think i'm ready for it yet.
12-05-2004, 07:13 PM
12-05-2004, 07:19 PM
i heard people comparing M1T to tren. i wonder how tren/M1t stack together..... sounds dangerous.
12-05-2004, 10:07 PM
no I wouldnt agree with that. I gained more strength with much much less sides on 75mg fina eodOriginally Posted by x_muscle
12-05-2004, 10:42 PM
12-06-2004, 12:13 AM
They stack well. Gains came very quickly and only tapered off as I was not able to increase calories while taking M1T. It seemed to just STOP my digestive track.Originally Posted by x_muscle
12-06-2004, 01:02 AM
I don´t know what´s wrong wih me or the Tren I´ve got,but
compared to 50mg Winny or 25mg D-Bol or a shot Sustenon,Tren seemed to do Jack
for me.Nothing.Anyone had that experience,too,or what´s wrong with me?
What I can tell about Winny in Oil is that there´nothing comparable if it comes to aggressivenes and power
going through the roof immediately after administration.
12-06-2004, 09:52 AM
12-06-2004, 10:33 AM
sounds like you got some junk tren, did you buy it premade or homebrew from fina?Originally Posted by Fastflight
12-06-2004, 12:58 PM
I've stacked them (15 mg M1T, 75 mg Tren ed), along with 1.5 cc Sledge Test (150 mg 4AD Prop, 75 mg 4OHT Cyp per cc) ed for 4 weeks. It was a cutter/lean bulker for me (I always have to bulk very lean because my metabolism is painfully slow). I put on several pounds while dropping a few percent bodyfat, and my strength gains were amazing. Used HCG throughout and good PCT so I didn't really lose anything when I came off.Originally Posted by x_muscle
As for sides, due to the large amount of 4AD Prop and the HCG (500IU twice a week), I didn't have any libido or shrinkage problems, no lethargy, and I only twice had the lower back pain that people complain of with M1T. As for hair loss, well, I started going bald at age 20 and I shave my head, so if I dropped some hair, I didn't notice (and didn't care, since I have long resigned myself to the fact that I am going to be bald).
I'll definitly do this cycle again, maybe with some real test instead of 4AD.
12-06-2004, 03:06 PM
it´s a premade brand from South-America,called Finabolon,Laboratorio Fundacion,same brand I´ve gotten my Winny from,too,which is a bad MoFo.Originally Posted by glenihan
But I´ve never seen anyone talking about this brand,so it might be fake with some good and some fake products,Estrombol seeming to be the good one.
I´m really scared now,wether I´ve injected Deca istead of Tren,cause I might get into the situation of a doping-test.
I guess there´s no inexspensive way to test it to see if it is what it is.
If a pictuer of it-sorry-for poor quality,but I think the look is very unique.
Last edited by Fastflight; 12-06-2004 at 03:44 PM.
12-06-2004, 04:03 PM
But to that...if you get good tren you'll be hooked....too bad its not the "best" for ya ......to say it lightly ---JTOriginally Posted by glenihan
12-06-2004, 04:10 PM
Yeah, tren is a drug that you can always feel it working. Very unique. I'm a tren junkie!Originally Posted by JTrans
12-06-2004, 04:10 PM
I´m hooked by the Esrtombol,but sides´re keeping me off it.
So the Tren seems to be junk,I´m courious if i´ll ever get some real stuff for comparison?
12-06-2004, 04:12 PM
sounds like an awsome cycle. im thinking to run this as a cutter maybe next spring. but i will the cycle for little longer.
Originally Posted by jrkarp
12-06-2004, 05:22 PM
It was... I wish I had enough Sledge Test to run it a few more times (I only have 1 bottle left). I guess I'll have to get ahold of the real deal after it runs out. Now that I think of it, I know of a product that has (please no PMs asking for source) 100mg Test Prop / 100 mg Test Suspension per cc, that would be outstanding with this cycle at 1 cc a day (with Letro, of course, to control bloat and prevent gyno) instead of the ST. I also ran Letro at 1.25mg eod during the cycle I posted above, since I bloat like a mother****er on 4AD.Originally Posted by mass_builder
12-06-2004, 05:54 PM
with test prop and susp you shouldn't have any bloat, i'm not sure though why you want/need a prop susp combo
to be maximally effective you should inject susp 2x a day, at least prop you only have to do ed
12-06-2004, 06:05 PM
From what I've read and from what I understand, 1x a day is fine for susp, especially if it's suspended in oil.
Can anyone else weigh in on this?
12-06-2004, 08:12 PM
1x a day wouldn't be optimal. suspension clears your body in ~4hours.
12-06-2004, 08:13 PM
i've always seen it in water, not oil. don't know if that would have an effect on it or not.Originally Posted by jrkarp
12-06-2004, 08:51 PM
im suprised that no one said Cheque Drops (Mibolerone). i gusse no one is brave enough to try it.
Last edited by x_muscle; 12-06-2004 at 09:52 PM.
12-06-2004, 08:54 PM
I've heard varying opinions on this subject myself.
But even if it did only last a few hours, it would be good to inject preworkout, and the prop would have its usual effects.
12-06-2004, 08:59 PM
Actually there was a slightly heated debate on this in a similar thread on here. I wasn't a big fan of it, but a couple of guys said it was awesome for strength for them.Originally Posted by x_muscle
12-07-2004, 02:01 AM
Tren didn't give me any strength really... It just burned calories like DNP.
DBOL is another story entire Next cycle is going to include anadrol, we'll see how that rolls.
12-07-2004, 02:15 AM
This is a tough question b/c drugs have different qualities. For instance, if limited weight gain is desired then you may choose to use one drug over another. However, strictly for strength: cheque drops, halo, oxandrolone, tren
12-07-2004, 02:15 PM
I have been on 250mg test-e 2x a week and about 60-75mg (homebrew) tren ED for about 4-5 weeks now and have had awesome gains. I've gained about 35lbs with no noticable fat gain, if anything, I am leaner and more vascular. I've been keeping myself on a low carb diet with a little cardio here and there throughout the week. The side effects are mildly harsh. I have alittle trouble getting to sleep at night, I've been sweating more than usual, and the acne has been creeping up on me for the past week.
12-07-2004, 02:25 PM
Come on, you gotta be kidding. It's tough to imagine test & tren will give you 35 lbs. of muscle and no fat in 4-5 weeks. Unless you're a genetic freak maybeOriginally Posted by Null
12-07-2004, 04:10 PM
I keep to a clean no/low-carb diet, take an ECA stack 3-4x a day with a plethora of other meds and sleep 9-10 hours a day.Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
12-07-2004, 11:06 PM
so you've gained 35 pounds in 4-5 weeks on test and tren (which strips fat off most people) AND with basically no carbs?
hmm sounds like .. what's the word .. oh yes, bull**** .. that's the word
12-07-2004, 11:32 PM
I didn't know crack was anabolic...Originally Posted by Null
12-08-2004, 02:57 PM
isn't fina and tren the same? When people mention fina, do you mean your actually popping the pellets.
12-08-2004, 03:23 PM
tren is made from finaplex pellets, but when most people say fina i have found they are just using it interchangably for tren and are injecting tren ace
12-08-2004, 05:22 PM
12-08-2004, 10:21 PM
WHAT WHAT............im the only one who likes deca!?
i get tren like gains from it without all nasty sides
12-08-2004, 11:09 PM
Sorry bro, but deca is known for it anabolic properties, not strength properties.
12-09-2004, 03:24 AM
It's really hard to believe, to me, for a number of reasons. The most easily explainable would be in the tendons....Most AAS users who experience explosive gains (i.e. 2lbs a week) get some nasty sore tendons because of the increase in muscle size. Now, at 35lbs in 5 weeks, that's 7lbs a week. I'd conclude you'd ripped all but 1/3 of your tendons around most of your major muscle groups away from the fascia. That would be VERY PAINFUL.Originally Posted by Null
At 35lbs in 4-5 weeks, there HAS TO BE extensive water gain and at least some moderate fat gain.
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