Finally decided on my first cycle (Test and Tbol)
- 12-21-2012, 03:05 PM
- 12-21-2012, 03:10 PM
12-21-2012, 03:23 PM
I agree man, safer on the liver. and I think these users of dmz gaining 17 pounds are those new or relatively new to hormone use. I know if a took it right now id be lucky to get close to 4-7lbs. that's why id prefer dbol. yes, its more watery but definitely like the feel a lot better. plus who doesn't like rock hard wood in the morning hahaOriginally Posted by Red Fox
12-21-2012, 03:26 PM
12-21-2012, 03:32 PM
What is DMZ? Never heard of it...And since this is my first cycle, from what you guys are saying I would probably get strong retainable gains wouldn't I? I've read the same about Tbol though, heard of roid newbies gaining 15 pounds in 6 weeks and keeping all of them, which is way I chose to use it..
12-21-2012, 03:35 PM
Lol no I understand trenbolone, what you are saying makes sense. Because you already have so much muscle mass, I agree completely that you would only gain 4-7. But for those of us that are still in the 100-190 range, we will gain more ideally (at least in the 150-170 range lol)
And just look up Super DMZ log. You can read all about it shred. I recommend it because it is legal, safe on the liver, and a lot of people have a lot of good results all over the world.
12-21-2012, 03:49 PM
12-21-2012, 03:52 PM
and shredology, tbol is a wonderfull compound. it is much like dbol with very very similar gains but there pretty lean. almost ni waterOriginally Posted by Shredology
12-21-2012, 03:54 PM
12-21-2012, 04:03 PM
12-21-2012, 04:14 PM
12-21-2012, 06:09 PM
Yeah brah Tbol is illegal but that's not a problem is it?
I've only read good things about it.
My original cycle was only:
Test e 1-12 weeks @ 500mg
Tbol week 6-12 @ 60mg
With a simple nova PCT, and HCG during and after the cycle. I changed it to what it is right now from recommendations on the first page, do you think it's better now than it was?
Thanks for the feedbacks guys they are greatly appreciated, health and gains are very important so I really hope i'm doing the best choices
12-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Mg for mg dimethazine ( Di methyl dht azine ) is more potent than dbol ( methyl bodenone)Originally Posted by Trenbolone1
12-21-2012, 07:39 PM
Trenbolone can be used orally.Originally Posted by Trenbolone1
Ever heard of methoxy trn/tst?
Contained plain trenbolone, people loved it.
12-21-2012, 07:41 PM
Dimethazine is two superdrol molecules bonded with a azine bond.Originally Posted by Red Fox
It is very unhealthy.
12-21-2012, 07:43 PM
12-21-2012, 07:46 PM
Tbol is dbol with a 4-chloro group added to it, which prevents aromatization, lowers androgenic effects.Originally Posted by Trenbolone1
12-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Blind leading the blind.Originally Posted by Shredology
Don't worry though, lots of people use steroids with no clue about them, and get away fine.
12-21-2012, 08:41 PM
12-21-2012, 08:55 PM
yes I'm aware of that. just sayin dbols better in my view.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
yep. have had it. not good oral bioavailability tho. id prefer regular ol tren tho lol why take it oral.. lol tren already is harsh. also it wasn't plain old tren. it was a hormone closely resembling tren but not quite tren. plus even if it was... methylating the compound would completely change it. take dbol and eq for example.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
spot on.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
12-21-2012, 10:02 PM
My goal by posting this thread is to do this safely, and not like a retard..I've done decent research I believe, but english isn't my first language and science is not really my thing lol..So do you guys think the cycle posted in OP as of right now is good and safe? I wouldn't mind dropping the Var at the beginning tbh since it's my first cycle and I don't want to over do it, but if ya'll are telling me it'll make a big difference i'll consider it more..
At first I planned to do a tbol only cycle, but then might aswell throw test in it to maximize the gains. I've only read good things about Tbol, and obviously test is best. I'm just trying to get opinions on how to do this as safely and efficient as possible
12-21-2012, 11:03 PM
If you think it was modified trenbolone, you should let Patrick Arnold know he is wrong, and doesn't know anything about steroids or testing them.Originally Posted by Trenbolone1
12-21-2012, 11:05 PM
Your cycle looks fine. Save the var for another cycle.Originally Posted by Shredology
Run tbol at 70-80mg for 6 weeks.
12-22-2012, 12:32 AM
Man the cycle looks fine. If your planning on cutting for the last 6 weeks run the var. If not the save it for another cycle. Torem for pct is the best If you can get the real sh*t. Some of that research chem grade stuff is a bit underdosed. In saying that If you had Nolvadex that would have been fine too. I think the poster before must have had his mind confused about it being carcinogenic as it is made for ladies with breast cancer so I highly doubt they would give a carcinogen to people fighting cancer. Anyways bro looks good you'll have a blast. Keep us posted on how things turn out for you.Originally Posted by Shredology
12-22-2012, 01:51 AM
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