Ostarine for christmas!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
    Yea earlier, think they had site updates goin.
    Psalms 62:1-62:2


  2. Still won't work for me. Wtf.
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  3. I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

    I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Your input is irrelevant then. No proof on a feeling? How do you know it wasnt weather related, a cold, over training. Hell i feel my test is low, but cant prove ... get it?

    /convo

    OP keep the updates coming
    I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner
    I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

    I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
    Yea. Id rather stop it before it starts also. Well I'll prolly get some triazole then, and I can use erase when I'm cutting or somethin
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs

    I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.
    I've never taken erase before, but I used to get dry ass joints with epi. That's a bad feeling. But id really like to keep this thread from turning into an argument, so let's get back to the Osta fellas

  7. Day 5

    Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

    Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!

  8. what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
    edit. and we started basically the same day or so

  9. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Day 5

    Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

    Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
    Ostarine can ruin the taste of just about anything lol
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  10. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs
    what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
    edit. and we started basically the same day or so
    I'm doin 25mg. I'm plannin 6 weeks of that, then use the rest when I cut. Prolly like 12.5mg for 4 weeks in the spring

  11. Oh, and I'm off work today and tomorrow, so I'm not workin out. I'll hit it hard on Friday if the world doesn't end. And yea... 100th post, what's good?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner View Post

    Check the following thread where the OP used 50mg S4 5 on/2 off for 4 weeks and suffered some suppression - S4 PCT???. SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.

    After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
    Ahhh ok yea well I'm only running S4 post pct anyways into my next cycle so mild suppression won't really matter considering pct for next cycle will involve toremifene and aromasin

  13. I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
    Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
    PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
    PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
    Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?

  14. Just ordered some triazole. Think I should use it during the end of my cycle, then during pct, switch to erase and daa?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by grega60438 View Post
    I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
    Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
    PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
    PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
    Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
    Well the problem I see with this is that osta doesnt kick into full effect until 2 maybe 3 weeks in.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Superman_777 View Post

    Well the problem I see with this is that osta doesnt kick into full effect until 2 maybe 3 weeks in.
    Kicks in fully by day 12-14 and is definitely beneficial in my opinion

  17. Day 7

    Bought some more OJ, so the osta when down nicely today. Haven't taken creatine/ beta alanine in days, so I'm gonna go ahead and go natural until the osta kicks in. I'm worried that my workouts will suffer until then (cause I'm already pretty weak).

    Workout: Chest

    Flat bench: 135 x 10, 155 x 9, 155 x 8

    Incline DB bench: 60s x 10, 60s x 8, 60s x 8

    Cable Flys: 5 plates x 10, 5 plates x 7, 4 plates x 8

    Push ups: set of 8, set of 9, set of 7, then dropset "girl pushups" for 5 more reps

    Not a great workout today, but not horrible either.

  18. Day 8

    Workout: Back/ Biceps

    Bent Over Rows: 95 x 10, 100 x 9, 105 x9, 105 x 7

    Low Rows: 240 x 9, 240 x 8, 240 x 8, 240 x 6

    Chin ups: 9 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps

    EZ bar curls (seated): 65 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 6

    Hammer DB Curls (standing): 30s x 9, 30s x 8

    Concentration Curls: 25s x 8 (partial reps for 3 more reps) , 25s x 7(partial reps for 3 reps)

    Decent workout today. I think I'm going to periodize my workout. Seeing as I started with 12+ reps for a few weeks, then have been doing 8-10 reps for this week (and will continue to for at least another week). Then I will up the weight a bit and drop to 6-8 reps for a couple weeks, then 3-5, then really heavy for a rep or two. I'm hoping this will really help me gain some strength. Anybody have advice for improvement?

  19. Is there any known data about how Ostarine liver values? ALT?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by grega60438
    Is there any known data about how Ostarine liver values? ALT?
    My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylated

  21. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylated
    Methylated compounds aren't the only thing that will effect your liver.
    In fact, most drugs will have some sort of interaction with your liver..for better or for worse.
    Cultivating Mass.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor

    Methylated compounds aren't the only thing that will effect your liver.
    In fact, most drugs will have some sort of interaction with your liver..for better or for worse.
    Oh okay. Well, either way, they say it has almost no affect on the liver. But I have no evidence to support that

  23. Alright, so woke up, and had the same breakfast as last Sunday, and just weighed in at 182.0. 2lbs up from last week. I've been eating a calorie surplus and steadily gaining weight, so I doubt the 2lb gain is due to the osta. So hopefully when the osta kicks in, I'll be gaining hard as hell. And I wish someone would respond to my periodization question from yesterday...

  24. So SARMs are new to me but I'm familiar with PH's. I don't want to jack your thread but can you tell me why you would use SARMs instead of a PH is you're going for a lean bulk?
    What's the difference?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Leftyz
    So SARMs are new to me but I'm familiar with PH's. I don't want to jack your thread but can you tell me why you would use SARMs instead of a PH is you're going for a lean bulk?
    What's the difference?
    No problem. Well, phs are quite liver toxic, can shut down ur natural test production, give you back pumps, enlarge ur prostate, and it can be very difficult to keep ur gains. To combat these problems, u have to buy liver support supps, taurine, test boosters, a SERM... etc., and that stuff adds up quick.

    Its too early to say for certain whether SARMs cause any long term problems, but so far so good. My main concern is with keeping my gains after the cycle, and with Osta, I should be able to keep almost all of them without spending a fortune on pct. Osta can supress ur natural test production, and raise estrogen, so it would be wise to run a test boosing, estrogen lowering supp afterward.

    Hope that helps

  26. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    No problem. Well, phs are quite liver toxic, can shut down ur natural test production, give you back pumps, enlarge ur prostate, and it can be very difficult to keep ur gains. To combat these problems, u have to buy liver support supps, taurine, test boosters, a SERM... etc., and that stuff adds up quick.

    Its too early to say for certain whether SARMs cause any long term problems, but so far so good. My main concern is with keeping my gains after the cycle, and with Osta, I should be able to keep almost all of them without spending a fortune on pct. Osta can supress ur natural test production, and raise estrogen, so it would be wise to run a test boosing, estrogen lowering supp afterward.

    Hope that helps
    Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Leftyz

    Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?
    Not true a ph does NOT give you testosterone lol. Depending on the ph you could end up getting deinolone. Winstrol. DHT. All kinds of hormones.

    Research brah
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Leftyz

    Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?

    Yea. Definitely do some research. Google knows all, and these forums know the rest. Haha. My understanding is that phs are legal hormones that the body processes into illegal hormones. Its kinda like a loop hole to giving you illegal steroids... I think hdrol gets converted to turinabol (which is banned, right?). Hope I'm not talkin out of my ass here, maybe someone else can explain better.
    And SARMs are even more complicated. Just look it up

  29. Day 9 -

    Been sleeping like crap lately... don't know if its because of the osta, or getting stuck on morning shift at work, but definitely been feeling run down. I'm closing at work tonight and was really hoping to catch up on some sleep when I get home, but just found out I'm opening at 6:45am tomorrow. Wtf... but I'm making no excuses and hittin the weights hard.

    Workout: Deadlifts/ Legs

    Deadlifts: 225 x 10, 225 x 8, 225 x 5 (no wrist straps and my grip was going out)

    Leg press: 4 plates on each side x 10, 9, 7

    Leg extensions and curls supersets

    Leg extensions: 12 plates x 11, 10, 10, 8 (drop set with 9 plates for 7 more reps)

    Leg curls: 12 plates x 12, 13, then 13 plates x 9, 8 (drop set with 9 for 6 more reps)

    Glad the workouts over cause I hate deadlifts and leg press... but sometimes you just gotta suck it up.

  30. Day 10

    Got home last night and immediately popped a melatonin pill... slept like a baby. Woke up at 5:30 AM wide awake, felt great.
    I can't tell if the Osta is increasing my libido, or if it was all the hot chicks at work today but holy hell... was losing my mind. Some hot chick was in the damn weight room in a bikini, I thought I was hallucinating. haha. If you've never seen a half naked woman bent over doing tricep extensions... you should. Its so against the rules, but I didn't say a word. Also have been pissing some seriously yellow urine. Looks almost like beta alanine urine. If I chug a bunch of water, its still not completely clear. Been feeling pretty thirsty too. idk.
    I've gotten a couple of compliments about looking bigger, which is always awesome. My flexed arm has gained 3/4" in like 2 weeks... legit! Not really feeling "on" anything yet, and my workouts have not been mind blowing, but I think something is happening.

    Workout: Shoulders

    Honestly had a pretty ****ty workout today cause I was totally distracted by the bikini girl... shame on me...

    Overhead DB press: 60s x 9, 60s x 8, 60s x 8

    Lateral DB Raises: 25s x 10, 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 8

    DB Reverse Flys: 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 7, 25s x 7

    And oh... merry Christmas!
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