Ostarine for christmas!
- 12-18-2012, 11:07 PM
- 12-19-2012, 12:17 AM
12-19-2012, 04:33 AM
I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.
I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
12-19-2012, 07:02 AM
12-19-2012, 12:05 PM
Yea. Id rather stop it before it starts also. Well I'll prolly get some triazole then, and I can use erase when I'm cutting or somethinOriginally Posted by warsteiner
12-19-2012, 12:11 PM
I've never taken erase before, but I used to get dry ass joints with epi. That's a bad feeling. But id really like to keep this thread from turning into an argument, so let's get back to the Osta fellasOriginally Posted by threeFs
12-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.
Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
12-19-2012, 12:24 PM
what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
edit. and we started basically the same day or so
12-19-2012, 12:52 PM
12-19-2012, 03:37 PM
I'm doin 25mg. I'm plannin 6 weeks of that, then use the rest when I cut. Prolly like 12.5mg for 4 weeks in the springOriginally Posted by threeFs
12-19-2012, 03:40 PM
Oh, and I'm off work today and tomorrow, so I'm not workin out. I'll hit it hard on Friday if the world doesn't end. And yea... 100th post, what's good?
12-19-2012, 03:58 PM
12-19-2012, 09:28 PM
I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
12-19-2012, 10:53 PM
Just ordered some triazole. Think I should use it during the end of my cycle, then during pct, switch to erase and daa?
12-21-2012, 03:15 AM
12-21-2012, 04:41 AM
12-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Bought some more OJ, so the osta when down nicely today. Haven't taken creatine/ beta alanine in days, so I'm gonna go ahead and go natural until the osta kicks in. I'm worried that my workouts will suffer until then (cause I'm already pretty weak).
Flat bench: 135 x 10, 155 x 9, 155 x 8
Incline DB bench: 60s x 10, 60s x 8, 60s x 8
Cable Flys: 5 plates x 10, 5 plates x 7, 4 plates x 8
Push ups: set of 8, set of 9, set of 7, then dropset "girl pushups" for 5 more reps
Not a great workout today, but not horrible either.
12-22-2012, 06:38 PM
Workout: Back/ Biceps
Bent Over Rows: 95 x 10, 100 x 9, 105 x9, 105 x 7
Low Rows: 240 x 9, 240 x 8, 240 x 8, 240 x 6
Chin ups: 9 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps
EZ bar curls (seated): 65 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 6
Hammer DB Curls (standing): 30s x 9, 30s x 8
Concentration Curls: 25s x 8 (partial reps for 3 more reps) , 25s x 7(partial reps for 3 reps)
Decent workout today. I think I'm going to periodize my workout. Seeing as I started with 12+ reps for a few weeks, then have been doing 8-10 reps for this week (and will continue to for at least another week). Then I will up the weight a bit and drop to 6-8 reps for a couple weeks, then 3-5, then really heavy for a rep or two. I'm hoping this will really help me gain some strength. Anybody have advice for improvement?
12-22-2012, 06:59 PM
12-22-2012, 09:09 PM
My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylatedOriginally Posted by grega60438
12-22-2012, 09:49 PM
12-22-2012, 09:56 PM
Oh okay. Well, either way, they say it has almost no affect on the liver. But I have no evidence to support thatOriginally Posted by steppinRazor
12-23-2012, 10:13 AM
Alright, so woke up, and had the same breakfast as last Sunday, and just weighed in at 182.0. 2lbs up from last week. I've been eating a calorie surplus and steadily gaining weight, so I doubt the 2lb gain is due to the osta. So hopefully when the osta kicks in, I'll be gaining hard as hell. And I wish someone would respond to my periodization question from yesterday...
12-23-2012, 12:25 PM
So SARMs are new to me but I'm familiar with PH's. I don't want to jack your thread but can you tell me why you would use SARMs instead of a PH is you're going for a lean bulk?
What's the difference?
12-23-2012, 01:23 PM
No problem. Well, phs are quite liver toxic, can shut down ur natural test production, give you back pumps, enlarge ur prostate, and it can be very difficult to keep ur gains. To combat these problems, u have to buy liver support supps, taurine, test boosters, a SERM... etc., and that stuff adds up quick.Originally Posted by Leftyz
Its too early to say for certain whether SARMs cause any long term problems, but so far so good. My main concern is with keeping my gains after the cycle, and with Osta, I should be able to keep almost all of them without spending a fortune on pct. Osta can supress ur natural test production, and raise estrogen, so it would be wise to run a test boosing, estrogen lowering supp afterward.
Hope that helps
12-23-2012, 01:49 PM
12-23-2012, 02:13 PM
Not true a ph does NOT give you testosterone lol. Depending on the ph you could end up getting deinolone. Winstrol. DHT. All kinds of hormones.Originally Posted by Leftyz
12-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Leftyz
Yea. Definitely do some research. Google knows all, and these forums know the rest. Haha. My understanding is that phs are legal hormones that the body processes into illegal hormones. Its kinda like a loop hole to giving you illegal steroids... I think hdrol gets converted to turinabol (which is banned, right?). Hope I'm not talkin out of my ass here, maybe someone else can explain better.
And SARMs are even more complicated. Just look it up
12-23-2012, 04:11 PM
Day 9 -
Been sleeping like crap lately... don't know if its because of the osta, or getting stuck on morning shift at work, but definitely been feeling run down. I'm closing at work tonight and was really hoping to catch up on some sleep when I get home, but just found out I'm opening at 6:45am tomorrow. Wtf... but I'm making no excuses and hittin the weights hard.
Workout: Deadlifts/ Legs
Deadlifts: 225 x 10, 225 x 8, 225 x 5 (no wrist straps and my grip was going out)
Leg press: 4 plates on each side x 10, 9, 7
Leg extensions and curls supersets
Leg extensions: 12 plates x 11, 10, 10, 8 (drop set with 9 plates for 7 more reps)
Leg curls: 12 plates x 12, 13, then 13 plates x 9, 8 (drop set with 9 for 6 more reps)
Glad the workouts over cause I hate deadlifts and leg press... but sometimes you just gotta suck it up.
12-24-2012, 10:03 PM
Got home last night and immediately popped a melatonin pill... slept like a baby. Woke up at 5:30 AM wide awake, felt great.
I can't tell if the Osta is increasing my libido, or if it was all the hot chicks at work today but holy hell... was losing my mind. Some hot chick was in the damn weight room in a bikini, I thought I was hallucinating. haha. If you've never seen a half naked woman bent over doing tricep extensions... you should. Its so against the rules, but I didn't say a word. Also have been pissing some seriously yellow urine. Looks almost like beta alanine urine. If I chug a bunch of water, its still not completely clear. Been feeling pretty thirsty too. idk.
I've gotten a couple of compliments about looking bigger, which is always awesome. My flexed arm has gained 3/4" in like 2 weeks... legit! Not really feeling "on" anything yet, and my workouts have not been mind blowing, but I think something is happening.
Honestly had a pretty ****ty workout today cause I was totally distracted by the bikini girl... shame on me...
Overhead DB press: 60s x 9, 60s x 8, 60s x 8
Lateral DB Raises: 25s x 10, 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 8
DB Reverse Flys: 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 7, 25s x 7
And oh... merry Christmas!
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