Ostarine for christmas!
- 12-17-2012, 11:30 PM
- 12-17-2012, 11:36 PM
No one is agreeing on this it is getting extremely frustrating everyone says something different. I went from an extremely mild ph cycle into a sarms/pct cycle and I seem to have recovered just fine. I plan on using S4 and GW until I start another very mild ph cycle but after that I'm running a full 8 week pct with serm and no sarms because this is just getting ridiculous
- 12-18-2012, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by JD261985
12-18-2012, 01:36 AM
12-18-2012, 02:52 AM
S4 PCT???. SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.
After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
12-18-2012, 11:59 AM
Yea, I was planning daa/erase too. I also have about... 80mg of nolva sittin around. Think I should do like 10mg for 4 days, then 5mg for 8 days? Definitely want test back to normal ASAPOriginally Posted by warsteiner
12-18-2012, 12:43 PM
12-18-2012, 03:50 PM
Yea. I kinda felt the same way. I'm thinkin I should start erase during the end of my cycle, instead of PCT. Good idea or no? Cause I wouldn't think it would do anything negative to my cycle, and it would reduce the estrogen before I stop the osta. IdkOriginally Posted by tyga tyga
12-18-2012, 04:49 PM
12-18-2012, 04:52 PM
Day 4 -
Out of OJ, so I took my osta with cran-tangerine juice... didn't go down as smooth. Legs are even more sore than yesterday. Car started today, so I got to go to work/ workout
Forgive me, as I don't know the proper names for some of these exercises.
Seated overhead DB press: 60s x 9, 60s x 8, 60s x 6
Seated DB shrugs: 60s x 12, 60s x 10, 60s x 12
Hanging lateral raises? (Where you grab a vertical bar with one hand, and hang to the side, and raise a DB with your free hand). 25 x 10, 25 x 8, 25 x 8
Standing DB shrugs: 65s x 11, 65s x 8, 65s x 8
Standing lateral raises: 25s x 10, 25s x 6, 20s x 8
Reverse flys: 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 5, 20s x 6
Felt pretty good during my workout. Could use a couple new exercises as I seem to do the same ones every week.
Still not feeling any effects of osta (not expecting to for about another week, but figured id keep you updated). Strength and weight are the same, libido seems normal.
The only possible effect is that I've had slight pressure in my head, not even enough to call it a headache. Just that if I don't drink any water for a couple hours, it becomes noticable. Nothing serious tho
12-18-2012, 04:56 PM
Oh really? Isn't that exactly what erase is supposed to do? But I'll probably include it anywayOriginally Posted by tyga tyga
12-18-2012, 06:17 PM
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12-18-2012, 09:01 PM
12-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
12-18-2012, 10:05 PM
12-18-2012, 10:07 PM
12-18-2012, 11:17 PM
12-19-2012, 03:33 AM
I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.
I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
12-19-2012, 06:02 AM
12-19-2012, 11:05 AM
Yea. Id rather stop it before it starts also. Well I'll prolly get some triazole then, and I can use erase when I'm cutting or somethinOriginally Posted by warsteiner
12-19-2012, 11:11 AM
I've never taken erase before, but I used to get dry ass joints with epi. That's a bad feeling. But id really like to keep this thread from turning into an argument, so let's get back to the Osta fellasOriginally Posted by threeFs
12-19-2012, 11:19 AM
Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.
Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
12-19-2012, 11:24 AM
what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
edit. and we started basically the same day or so
12-19-2012, 11:52 AM
12-19-2012, 02:37 PM
I'm doin 25mg. I'm plannin 6 weeks of that, then use the rest when I cut. Prolly like 12.5mg for 4 weeks in the springOriginally Posted by threeFs
12-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Oh, and I'm off work today and tomorrow, so I'm not workin out. I'll hit it hard on Friday if the world doesn't end. And yea... 100th post, what's good?
12-19-2012, 02:58 PM
12-19-2012, 08:28 PM
I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
12-19-2012, 09:53 PM
Just ordered some triazole. Think I should use it during the end of my cycle, then during pct, switch to erase and daa?
12-21-2012, 02:15 AM
12-21-2012, 03:41 AM
12-21-2012, 05:51 PM
Bought some more OJ, so the osta when down nicely today. Haven't taken creatine/ beta alanine in days, so I'm gonna go ahead and go natural until the osta kicks in. I'm worried that my workouts will suffer until then (cause I'm already pretty weak).
Flat bench: 135 x 10, 155 x 9, 155 x 8
Incline DB bench: 60s x 10, 60s x 8, 60s x 8
Cable Flys: 5 plates x 10, 5 plates x 7, 4 plates x 8
Push ups: set of 8, set of 9, set of 7, then dropset "girl pushups" for 5 more reps
Not a great workout today, but not horrible either.
12-22-2012, 05:38 PM
Workout: Back/ Biceps
Bent Over Rows: 95 x 10, 100 x 9, 105 x9, 105 x 7
Low Rows: 240 x 9, 240 x 8, 240 x 8, 240 x 6
Chin ups: 9 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps
EZ bar curls (seated): 65 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 6
Hammer DB Curls (standing): 30s x 9, 30s x 8
Concentration Curls: 25s x 8 (partial reps for 3 more reps) , 25s x 7(partial reps for 3 reps)
Decent workout today. I think I'm going to periodize my workout. Seeing as I started with 12+ reps for a few weeks, then have been doing 8-10 reps for this week (and will continue to for at least another week). Then I will up the weight a bit and drop to 6-8 reps for a couple weeks, then 3-5, then really heavy for a rep or two. I'm hoping this will really help me gain some strength. Anybody have advice for improvement?
12-22-2012, 05:59 PM
12-22-2012, 08:09 PM
My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylatedOriginally Posted by grega60438
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