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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Id keep s4 completely out of pct, and osta no higher than 5-7mg. Mk 677 and gw could be used at whatever dose though
    Why no S4 in pct? I've heard many report no suppression at 50 mg. Well in post pct weeks 5-8 that's what I'm using right now

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    No one is agreeing on this it is getting extremely frustrating everyone says something different. I went from an extremely mild ph cycle into a sarms/pct cycle and I seem to have recovered just fine. I plan on using S4 and GW until I start another very mild ph cycle but after that I'm running a full 8 week pct with serm and no sarms because this is just getting ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985
    No one is agreeing on this it is getting extremely frustrating everyone says something different. I went from an extremely mild ph cycle into a sarms/pct cycle and I seem to have recovered just fine. I plan on using S4 and GW until I start another very mild ph cycle but after that I'm running a full 8 week pct with serm and no sarms because this is just getting ridiculous
    Yea, true. Well, a very mild ph cycle probably didn't supress you much anyways. But I feel like, if you need some pct after a osta only cycle, then it must not be suitable for a ph cycle's pct. Most people seem to agree that low dosages are fine tho. Idk, I say try it and let us know, cause there's definitely a lack of info on SARMs
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Yea, true. Well, a very mild ph cycle probably didn't supress you much anyways. But I feel like, if you need some pct after a osta only cycle, then it must not be suitable for a ph cycle's pct. Most people seem to agree that low dosages are fine tho. Idk, I say try it and let us know, cause there's definitely a lack of info on SARMs
    Yea the mild cycle I ran was m1D black(8 weeks) and 11 spray (last 4 weeks). Of course I didn't need a serm for that and my next cycle probably wouldn't need a serm either because its so mild but I'm going to use one anyways. My goal was to get my feet wet with prohormones and sarms to see how I reacted and just to test the waters so to speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Why no S4 in pct? I've heard many report no suppression at 50 mg. Well in post pct weeks 5-8 that's what I'm using right now
    Check the following thread where the OP used 50mg S4 5 on/2 off for 4 weeks and suffered some suppression - S4 PCT???. SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.

    After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner

    Check the following thread where the OP used 50mg S4 5 on/2 off for 4 weeks and suffered some suppression - SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.

    After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
    Yea, I was planning daa/erase too. I also have about... 80mg of nolva sittin around. Think I should do like 10mg for 4 days, then 5mg for 8 days? Definitely want test back to normal ASAP
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Yea, I was planning daa/erase too. I also have about... 80mg of nolva sittin around. Think I should do like 10mg for 4 days, then 5mg for 8 days? Definitely want test back to normal ASAP
    S4 is suppressive, period. Ostarine is up in there air, i think the nolva is overkill. My opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga

    S4 is suppressive, period. Ostarine is up in there air, i think the nolva is overkill. My opinion...
    Yea. I kinda felt the same way. I'm thinkin I should start erase during the end of my cycle, instead of PCT. Good idea or no? Cause I wouldn't think it would do anything negative to my cycle, and it would reduce the estrogen before I stop the osta. Idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Yea. I kinda felt the same way. I'm thinkin I should start erase during the end of my cycle, instead of PCT. Good idea or no? Cause I wouldn't think it would do anything negative to my cycle, and it would reduce the estrogen before I stop the osta. Idk
    Hmm someone posted their bloods after using erase and it didnt do nadda for estrogen control, cort control or raise test... but, you could run it like that.
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    Day 4 -

    Out of OJ, so I took my osta with cran-tangerine juice... didn't go down as smooth. Legs are even more sore than yesterday. Car started today, so I got to go to work/ workout

    Shoulders/ traps

    Forgive me, as I don't know the proper names for some of these exercises.

    Seated overhead DB press: 60s x 9, 60s x 8, 60s x 6

    Seated DB shrugs: 60s x 12, 60s x 10, 60s x 12

    Hanging lateral raises? (Where you grab a vertical bar with one hand, and hang to the side, and raise a DB with your free hand). 25 x 10, 25 x 8, 25 x 8

    Standing DB shrugs: 65s x 11, 65s x 8, 65s x 8

    Standing lateral raises: 25s x 10, 25s x 6, 20s x 8

    Reverse flys: 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 5, 20s x 6

    Felt pretty good during my workout. Could use a couple new exercises as I seem to do the same ones every week.

    Still not feeling any effects of osta (not expecting to for about another week, but figured id keep you updated). Strength and weight are the same, libido seems normal.

    The only possible effect is that I've had slight pressure in my head, not even enough to call it a headache. Just that if I don't drink any water for a couple hours, it becomes noticable. Nothing serious tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga

    Hmm someone posted their bloods after using erase and it didnt do nadda for estrogen control, cort control or raise test... but, you could run it like that.
    Oh really? Isn't that exactly what erase is supposed to do? But I'll probably include it anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Oh really? Isn't that exactly what erase is supposed to do? But I'll probably include it anyway
    Yea
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Hmm someone posted their bloods after using erase and it didnt do nadda for estrogen control, cort control or raise test... but, you could run it like that.
    When I take too much Erase or Pro, my right ankle joint gets super dry and stiff. So I'd say it definitely lowers my E2 levels
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    When I take too much Erase or Pro, my right ankle joint gets super dry and stiff. So I'd say it definitely lowers my E2 levels
    Got bloods?

    What i stated, is some where here on AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Got bloods?

    What i stated, is some where here on AM.
    not specifically before and after erase only. But I don't need bloods to tell me my joints are dry
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    not specifically before and after erase only. But I don't need bloods to tell me my joints are dry
    But you need bloods to prove your estrogen levels dropped
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    But you need bloods to prove your estrogen levels dropped
    I don't need a number to tell me how I feel
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    I don't need a number to tell me how I feel
    Your input is irrelevant then. No proof on a feeling? How do you know it wasnt weather related, a cold, over training. Hell i feel my test is low, but cant prove ... get it?

    /convo

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    Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345
    Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
    I was having issues on iPhone earlier but it's good now
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
    Yea earlier, think they had site updates goin.
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    Still won't work for me. Wtf.
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    I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

    I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Your input is irrelevant then. No proof on a feeling? How do you know it wasnt weather related, a cold, over training. Hell i feel my test is low, but cant prove ... get it?

    /convo

    OP keep the updates coming
    I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner
    I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

    I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
    Yea. Id rather stop it before it starts also. Well I'll prolly get some triazole then, and I can use erase when I'm cutting or somethin
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs

    I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.
    I've never taken erase before, but I used to get dry ass joints with epi. That's a bad feeling. But id really like to keep this thread from turning into an argument, so let's get back to the Osta fellas
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    Day 5

    Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

    Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
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    what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
    edit. and we started basically the same day or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post
    Day 5

    Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

    Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs
    what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
    edit. and we started basically the same day or so
    I'm doin 25mg. I'm plannin 6 weeks of that, then use the rest when I cut. Prolly like 12.5mg for 4 weeks in the spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner View Post

    Check the following thread where the OP used 50mg S4 5 on/2 off for 4 weeks and suffered some suppression - S4 PCT???. SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.

    After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
    Ahhh ok yea well I'm only running S4 post pct anyways into my next cycle so mild suppression won't really matter considering pct for next cycle will involve toremifene and aromasin
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    I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
    Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
    PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
    PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
    Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
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    Just ordered some triazole. Think I should use it during the end of my cycle, then during pct, switch to erase and daa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grega60438 View Post
    I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
    Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
    PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
    PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
    PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
    The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
    Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
    Well the problem I see with this is that osta doesnt kick into full effect until 2 maybe 3 weeks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman_777 View Post

    Well the problem I see with this is that osta doesnt kick into full effect until 2 maybe 3 weeks in.
    Kicks in fully by day 12-14 and is definitely beneficial in my opinion
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    Day 7

    Bought some more OJ, so the osta when down nicely today. Haven't taken creatine/ beta alanine in days, so I'm gonna go ahead and go natural until the osta kicks in. I'm worried that my workouts will suffer until then (cause I'm already pretty weak).

    Workout: Chest

    Flat bench: 135 x 10, 155 x 9, 155 x 8

    Incline DB bench: 60s x 10, 60s x 8, 60s x 8

    Cable Flys: 5 plates x 10, 5 plates x 7, 4 plates x 8

    Push ups: set of 8, set of 9, set of 7, then dropset "girl pushups" for 5 more reps

    Not a great workout today, but not horrible either.
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    Day 8

    Workout: Back/ Biceps

    Bent Over Rows: 95 x 10, 100 x 9, 105 x9, 105 x 7

    Low Rows: 240 x 9, 240 x 8, 240 x 8, 240 x 6

    Chin ups: 9 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps

    EZ bar curls (seated): 65 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 6

    Hammer DB Curls (standing): 30s x 9, 30s x 8

    Concentration Curls: 25s x 8 (partial reps for 3 more reps) , 25s x 7(partial reps for 3 reps)

    Decent workout today. I think I'm going to periodize my workout. Seeing as I started with 12+ reps for a few weeks, then have been doing 8-10 reps for this week (and will continue to for at least another week). Then I will up the weight a bit and drop to 6-8 reps for a couple weeks, then 3-5, then really heavy for a rep or two. I'm hoping this will really help me gain some strength. Anybody have advice for improvement?
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    Is there any known data about how Ostarine liver values? ALT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grega60438
    Is there any known data about how Ostarine liver values? ALT?
    My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylated
  

  
 

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