Can I add nolva while still on PHs?

[Irongame]

Ive scrapped the M1t because of the nausea and headaches but continued the 4-AD at 400mg of transdermal per day. Im at about day 17. My strength and energy in the gym have been great and I know it is doing its thing. No noticable effect on aggression or libido. I have gained about 12lbs since Ive started, although i think that it is mostly water. I dont look lean and i feel bloated. Would it be detrimental to my gains to start taking a dose of nolva every day to combate the bloat? I was figuring maybe 10-15mg a day. Also, Ive been pretty much eating as much as i can with little regard to how clean it is. Im not eating cake and ice cream, but I dont pay too much attention to white breads a pasta and such. Would it make much of a difference if I completely cleaned my diet up? I want to get big, that IS my goal. But Id like to see some positive changes in my body comp.

 

[Iron Warrior]

*Nolva won't kill your gains and can help prevent gyno during a cycle.
*Start cleaning up your diet to maximize results, switch the white bread with oats.

 

[meathead1987]

If you want to "get big" a 4AD only cycle is not your best bet. Maybe get some 1AD and add it to the cycle @ 300-600mg a day.

I advise 1AD over dermal 1T, as 1AD generally kicks in faster, and he is already into his cycle.

As to the original question, yes; nolva will slightly hinder your gains. Unless you are bloated as hell I wouldnt start using Nolva unless you start to get itchy nips.

MDHT @ 50-100mg a day should clear up the bloat nicely aswell as significantly increasing strength, focus and aggression. For some, the effects are instant, which may be very useful in your case.

 

[Irongame]

If you want to "get big" a 4AD only cycle is not your best bet. Maybe get some 1AD and add it to the cycle @ 300-600mg a day.

I advise 1AD over dermal 1T, as 1AD generally kicks in faster, and he is already into his cycle.

As to the original question, yes; nolva will slightly hinder your gains. Unless you are bloated as hell I wouldnt start using Nolva unless you start to get itchy nips.

MDHT @ 50-100mg a day should clear up the bloat nicely aswell as significantly increasing strength, focus and aggression. For some, the effects are instant, which may be very useful in your case.[/QUOTE

Should I try to re-introduce the M1T at 2.5mg doses? Everyone says that M1T kicks in around day three, and maybe at a smaller dose I would be better off for the first week or so?

 

[Iron Warrior]

As to the original question, yes; nolva will slightly hinder your gains. Unless you are bloated as hell I wouldnt start using Nolva unless you start to get itchy nips.

Although Nolva isn't required during a cycle I still think it's worth it. I'd do that to help reduce the possibility of gyno that's just me however. You can always do more cycles to gain the 2 pounds you might not gain do to Nolva.

 

[meathead1987]

If M1T makes you feel like ****, then dont bother with it @ all. The 1AD should kick in within a week or two at the most which will give you ~3-4 weeks of gains if you run the cycle for 6-7 weeks.

The MDHT, or indeed M5AA will have nearly immediate effect(immediate in some people, especially in the case of M5). The powders can be bought for $4 and $3/gram respectively from custom, the board sponsor.

If you dont want to wait for a delivery, start up the M1T again and see how it goes, the 4AD should be in full effect by now, so the sides may well be less. restart @ 5-10mg and see how it goes.

 

[Irongame]

I only Ran M1T at 5mg a day. It was the loss of appateite that killed me. If I could combat that..I would run it. I didn't feel lethargic or anything. I think I may try splitting the 5mg into two doses one morning and one night

If M1T makes you feel like ****, then dont bother with it @ all. The 1AD should kick in within a week or two at the most which will give you ~3-4 weeks of gains if you run the cycle for 6-7 weeks.

The MDHT, or indeed M5AA will have nearly immediate effect(immediate in some people, especially in the case of M5). The powders can be bought for $4 and $3/gram respectively from custom, the board sponsor.

If you dont want to wait for a delivery, start up the M1T again and see how it goes, the 4AD should be in full effect by now, so the sides may well be less. restart @ 5-10mg and see how it goes.

 

[meathead1987]

How mazny days did you run the M1T? dermal 4AD takes a while to kick in.

Hence you should frontload really, I should have put this in my 1st reply

 

[OmarJackson]

How mazny days did you run the M1T? dermal 4AD takes a while to kick in.

Hence you should frontload really, I should have put this in my 1st reply

assuming a 4 week cycle of dermal 4AD and 1AD, for how long should the 4AD be frontloaded, typically?

sorry don't mean to hijack BTW.

 

[meathead1987]

No need to frontload it with 1AD, they both take ~ the same time to kick in. Also, 1AD lethargy is much less, and the 1AD can be ran longer.

 

[Beelzebub]

if bloat is what you're worried about, try a low of adex, like 0.5 mg eod. nolva isn't really made for controlling bloat IMO.

 

[Irongame]

How mazny days did you run the M1T? dermal 4AD takes a while to kick in.

Hence you should frontload really, I should have put this in my 1st reply

Ran the dermal for about 9-10days then started M1T for 4 days...quit when I felt like hurling all day long and my head felt like exploding