Age you Started Ph/Ps.
- 12-03-2004, 10:12 AM
- 12-03-2004, 10:17 AM
12-03-2004, 10:20 AM
12-03-2004, 11:09 AM
12-03-2004, 11:09 AM
obvious reason dude----TO GET BIGGER!!!! everyone using this stuff for 2 reasons to get bigger or more cut
12-03-2004, 11:10 AM
12-03-2004, 11:26 AM
12-03-2004, 01:01 PM
12-03-2004, 01:12 PM
12-03-2004, 01:13 PM
I'm gonna say yes because they turn into the steroid hormone once their in your body.
Hope this helps you out.
12-03-2004, 01:20 PM
12-03-2004, 02:30 PM
I started at 19 with 1ad.
I was already 6'3 and I've been shaving daily since I was 13 so I'm plenty phisically mature.
Besides I don't wanna get any taller
I'd say the Ideal age would be 23 with 5+ years of serious bodybuilding behind you with your diet and training down pat.
I think the reason many of us started early(under 21) is
1. impatience, wanting to be bigger and leaner sooner.
2. The impending ban over the last few years has scared people causing them to rather do a cycle sooner rather than wait and never have the chance.(for those of us conserned with legal issues)
12-03-2004, 02:33 PM
I agree with the reasons....the ban seems to be pushing kids to start sooner....and impatience is ALWAYS an issue. I also feel that there is a difference in the choice of what you take (That is NOT to say that ANY are safe at any young age) but kids that are 16 and 18 using M1T are doing themselves in IMO....bad idea.Originally Posted by TheManGuy
12-03-2004, 02:37 PM
first tried PH's when i was 21. didn't know **** about them, hadn't heard of PCT, pretty stupid on my part. live and learn.
12-03-2004, 05:10 PM
12-03-2004, 05:17 PM
At a younger age they are not as safe, because you run the extra risk of screwing up a developing endrocrine system, ie your testicles... I would just leave it alone
12-03-2004, 05:49 PM
12-03-2004, 05:51 PM
12-03-2004, 06:07 PM
Wow, didnt expect this kind of feedback from the way my first post worked out. Im 18, and have been studying these ph/ps's day in day out for a week or so now, saved all the info to my favorits list =) Im planing my first cycle of ph in 2 or so weeks. I belive i know all that i need to know about the cycle. As soon as my nolva gets here, i will be planning just to take m1-d NOT m1-T. Im not stacking with anything b/c i dont want it to **** up my liver for serious damage. I also am doing this just to caution the fact im pretty scared knowing that if i put something like this it Could kill me. I am prepared for the worst, and am willing to take the risk to get bigger. Its just something i have to get out of the way, its been in the front of my head for about 2-3 years now of hard training and excellent dieting. I have the urge to get bigger(not faster) but i just want to get bigger. I have to go to the bank ATM, ill post the rest of this post when i get back! there almost closing FFS!
12-03-2004, 07:32 PM
Onurface, I think you can relax a bit man. The chances of m-dien killing you are pretty slim. Don't loose any sleep over it.
I'd start with m4ohn if I were you though, It's really mild and doesn't suppress much so it's highly unlikely to stunt growth in any form imo. Plus it works.
Do a mohn only cycle at 32mg ed for 6-8 weeks and you should get some good gains, with minimal suppresion and easy recovery.
If your gonna do m-dien I'd suggest a 6 week cycle at about 10mg ed. It works quite well, I'm happy so far.
12-03-2004, 09:10 PM
12-03-2004, 09:15 PM
Yea. got a good deal on sledge's cyps through the swap meet forum and figured I'd be pinning eventually anyway.Originally Posted by RobInKuwait
12-03-2004, 09:17 PM
12-03-2004, 10:37 PM
onurface, you mentioned you're taking the risk to get bigger. from what i know and through feedback, m-d isn't a bulker. what don't you consider something else like 4ad, 19nor, m4ohn...these are all compounds on the safer side with mild to no sides. at your age you wanna stay away from 1ad, 1test, m1t. there are many compounds out there, i'd say study a little longer than a week to come up with a better cycle...IMHO, a m-dien only cycle doesn't sound like a good one.
12-03-2004, 10:51 PM
I started this yuear, at 27 with m4ohn. I'm happy I did.
I think around 21-23 is a good age to start, if you have 2-3 years of training experience.
And dont start with M1T! Use something mild and proven to work like 1T/4ad (trans) or 1AD (oral).
You may also want to try m4ohn and Superdrol And of course plan your PCT carefully.
12-03-2004, 11:21 PM
12-03-2004, 11:37 PM
I belive i will go lighter in the ph chain, but i already got m1-d... should i use it for 4-6 weeks? I dont want to go through a long cycle b/c its my first one c'mon, basicaly any thing im not a pro on, ill be scared/curious about them, and what they will do. Thanks for all the feedback. theis thread is WAY better then my first one =) woo!
And also why isnt m1-d cycle by itself smart? Not trying to be a smart ass, im just trying to go low, and work my way up the chain, Just trying to gain a little size is all(not that im gaining anything just plain working out, b/c i am). Thanks again for all the feedback.
12-04-2004, 01:10 AM
12-04-2004, 02:33 AM
i'm not saying a m-dien cycle is a bad cycle...just not for your goals. you want to bulk am i correct?
cubical: reason being I said 4ad is on the safer side is b/c of the related sides (when compared to other substances - i.e hairloss, hpta shutdown (biggest concern), toxicity). I always thought 4ad didn't cause much sides.
12-04-2004, 02:38 AM
I tried the mdein only in my last cycle and didn't get much until I added M5aa and then it was great. I gained only a little weight overall but LBM went up because I got more cut and much stronger and best of all I just finished PCT and I kept everything. It was a six week cycle with 6mg twice a day of mdein and 20mg M5aa in the morning and 40mg afternoon/preworkout. And don't forget the nolva, clomid Pct or at least Nolva if nothing else.
Hope this helps with your mdein cyle.
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