Hair Loss Prevention
- 03-24-2005, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by fjc5006
- 03-26-2005, 04:49 PM
Also, Finasteride should never be used with Deca-Durabolin. It can actually promote hair loss in this situation.
- 03-26-2005, 06:25 PM
I couldn't possibly explain the science behind it, but it has to do with the interaction between Deca/Nordiol and finasteride. Search around for it, or you might want to consult the good Dr.
03-26-2005, 06:47 PM
I recall that deca uses 5AR to convert to a weaker androgen(dhn). When finasteride blocks the 5AR, deca remains a stronger androgen, thus promotes hair loss to a greater extent than it normally would. By the way. I started a post in custom's section (called concentration) to see if he would make a more concentrated version of his minoxidil (10-15%), so please bump it if you are interested. Cant beat his prices.
03-26-2005, 07:03 PM
Thanks for the information. That's certainly good to know, especially considering I was considering using Deca in my next cycle. Guess I'll pass on that now...Originally Posted by tarbaby2000
03-28-2005, 10:57 AM
I just ordered proscar in its 5 mg per pill form and was wondering if I should take each pill individually or cut them up into fifth's?
03-28-2005, 12:15 PM
I just cut them into thirds or half. They are small and hard to accurately cut into fifths, but if you prefer, thats okay.
03-31-2005, 03:58 PM
04-01-2005, 03:08 PM
04-01-2005, 04:27 PM
I'd just get a pillcutter. You can find them at most drugstores (e.g. Walgreens, Safeco, Revco, CVS, etc...). I got mine for like 4 or 5 bucks. It's maybe the length of your pointerfinger. Makes cutting them into fourths or fifths pretty easy.Originally Posted by tarbaby2000
04-01-2005, 04:57 PM
Maybe this doesn't belong in this forum...
Are you allowed to legally possess a 90-day supply of that imported drug without a prescription? I don't fully understand the law about "personal use" imports. Thanks.
04-01-2005, 10:31 PM
I think the rule allows for a 2-month supply. With Proscar, translates into an 8 or 10 month supply, depending upon how you cut the pills.Originally Posted by rrgg
04-04-2005, 09:56 AM
OK, so a 2 month supply. But my real question is whether it is truly legal to possess for those 2 months without a prescription. I think your answer is "yes." I've read conflicting answers to this.
04-07-2005, 09:33 AM
BigVrunga, you said that custom's 5% spiro produces an odor. I have Dr. Lee's 2% solution and it also produces an odor. What 2% spiro do you use that doesn't smell bad?
04-08-2005, 12:32 AM
When you guys starting balding about how many hairs would you say you shed daily?
Also, I just purchased a bottle of Shen Min, which contains Saw Palmetto Extracts, and I was wondering how effective it is in comparison to Finasteride. I would like to use the topical treatment and the saw palmetto first because my dad told me he has read many medical journals that Propecia has caused some liver and kidney problems in patients. (He got his M.D. in internal medicine.) However if the Saw Palmetto does not work well I will probably take finasteride instead regardless of the side effects.
04-08-2005, 02:55 AM
bro if your shedding dont count hairs; do something about it.
i have also heard saw palmetto is good for hairloss
04-08-2005, 06:45 AM
I noticed problems when I started shedding probably around 50-100+ hairs. But remember, the balding process is when your hairs don't grow back after they or shed or they come back weaker/thinner. Lots of people shed hairs (ever see a woman's brush) but that doesn't necessairily mean you're going bald.
I don't think you can compare Saw P / Shen Min to something like Finasteride. I haven't heard many people have success on Saw P and I'm a regular on a few hairloss forums (hairlosshelp is a good one). I never heard that propecia has caused liver&kidney problems...then again I'm not an MD. I'd say that for most people, Propecia is probably the best and most convenient treatment for hairloss. You could also look into topical DHT inhibitors like Spiro (my 2% ends up smelling bad), fluridil (pretty much unproven), or azelic acid (sp?...not really meant to be a stand-alone treatment).
The guy who started this thread pretty much knows what he's talking about so heed his advice.
Originally Posted by fjc5006
04-08-2005, 06:55 AM
as far as i know spiro stinks bc its unstable in solution (fresh solutions dont smell) - maybe its better to obtain the tabs (aldactone) and prepare each day a fresh solution?
04-09-2005, 03:19 PM
I never noticed an unpleasant odor from Dr.Lee's 2% spiro solution. I might have smelled a little 'off' - kind of a rubber-tire like smell (my girlfriend hates it!), but never a nasty egg smell like some solutions.BigVrunga, you said that custom's 5% spiro produces an odor. I have Dr. Lee's 2% solution and it also produces an odor. What 2% spiro do you use that doesn't smell bad?
Anyway, we're all in luck. Dr.Lee has developed a new 'odor free' spiro lotion. Check out this interview with him on Hairlosstalk.com:
Read through it, its pretty informative.
04-12-2005, 12:17 AM
There was an American study done on fluridil. How respectable it is i don't know. But I have seen quite a few people use fluridil to stop their shedding. For most people (if it does work) it won't regrow hair to a great degree, just slow down or stop your loss.fluridil (pretty much unproven),
04-12-2005, 05:18 PM
Same applies with all topical DHT/Androgen blockers - they'll stop the shedding but wont contribute to regrowth. AFIK, Minoxidil is the only compound that has a proven positive effect on hair regrowth.
04-16-2005, 03:13 AM
For all you guys with thick hair runnign the prevention loss stack, how do you apply the solutions? Seems like i would need many many ml to cover what i need to because it all gets caught in my hair! What do you guys do? How do you apply this stuff?
04-16-2005, 07:50 PM
Read through the first post in this thread bro...if you used minoxidil to regrow the hair, could you maintain it with a hair loss prevention treatment like spiro and nizoral shampoo? Or would you need to keep using the minox to keep the hair?
You've got to part your hair in about 6-7 places and apply it with an eye dropper right to the scalp. Then message it into your skin. You'll still get some in your hair, but that's inevetible.For all you guys with thick hair runnign the prevention loss stack, how do you apply the solutions? Seems like i would need many many ml to cover what i need to because it all gets caught in my hair! What do you guys do? How do you apply this stuff?
04-16-2005, 10:38 PM
Thanks bro...today I just used a pin and drew up a ml of the solution then took off the needle and squrited it on my scalp in like 20 different spots....my hair feels stronger already....
05-11-2005, 10:37 PM
05-11-2005, 10:45 PM
05-22-2005, 10:15 PM
Great thread...have a few questions though....basically just want some opinions...and yes, I read the whole thread...lol.
So basically I use AAS and I have a problem with the hair thinning above my temples. Everywhere else on my head is fine. So, I'm gonna buy some minox 5%/AA 5% combo and apply that twice/day. I will be off adrogens for at least 7-8 months....maybe even longer. Anyways, will minox 5% be able to regrow hair in the temples? I heard before that it can only cause regrowth in the crwon...is this true?? Has anybody had success regrowing in the temples w/ minox 5%??
second question is for you guys that've used minox5%....how long did you notice the shedding take place? How long did it take to start regrowing your hair + the hair that you just lost due to the minox?? How bad was it?? Thx for any help here...
05-22-2005, 10:45 PM
05-22-2005, 10:52 PM
lifted, minox should help at least a little bit on your temples. It usually takes 2-4 months to see regrowth. Any shedding you get from it shouldn't be too bad if you even shed at all (I never did).
One thing to be careful of...some people, who start using minoxoxil and use it for a long time, will lose alot of hair whenever they go off minoxidil (espeically people who use it all over their head). So some people (me included) see minoxidil as a "lifetime treatment". Also, even if you regrow your temples, if you stop minoxidil you will probably lose your temples again.
05-23-2005, 09:24 AM
05-23-2005, 12:16 PM
Yeah that's pretty much a given - if you start using minoxidil dont plan on comming off. It's a lifetime treatment. Realisticaly, you could probably stop using it for a month or so but you'll notice the hair you regrew start to shed and not comeback after a while.
Give the 5% minox a try for the temples, if after 6 months you dont see an improvement, I'd try the 12% cream. Most people that dont respond to the 5% respond well to stronger concentrated solutions. Ive found the temples to be a stubborn area...Ill be giving the 12% a go next month.
05-23-2005, 01:03 PM
thx for the tip BV. btw, does Dr. Lee still have you pay for the first initial consultation? Anybody use them recently??
I gotta say, this stuff is so cheap at custom's and other places, I don't see a reason why you shouldn't use this stuff...Dr. Lee's can be a bit more, but IMO it's still not too much if the products work for ya...
05-24-2005, 02:48 AM
I have an important Q:
For the topical spiro and Azelaic Acid, do you have to leave it in your hair all day or can you just leave it in for 10 minutes? Also, which one should I use first before I put on the other?
05-24-2005, 07:11 AM
You should leave it in all day (or at least several hours). I would use AA first especially if you're using spiro cream. If you're using spriro liquid and AA liquid, I still think you should use AA first but I'm not positive.
Dr. Lee still charges for the initial consultation.
Originally Posted by TheMyth
05-24-2005, 11:25 AM
I just used Dr. Lee. I sent in my consulatation form and was cleared to order within a week. You'll be billed something like $20 for the consulation on your first order.Originally Posted by lifted
And yes, Dr. Lee's products are a little pricey but you really won't find them anywhere else.
05-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Well, my opinion of Dr.Lee is that he definitely has the best quality products, but you pay a premium for them. I used Custom's products for a couple months, and while they work fine and he's awesome for offering them at such a great price - when I swithced back to the Xandrox line I noticed a difference. Especially in ease of application...the Xandrox stuff also makes my hair look fuller rather than greasy, and I *never* get dandruff like I do on other products.
Even if you're going to go with Custom's products, if you're doing this to fight genetic MPB than I highly recommend being able to order from Minoxidil.com. You should try both and see which ones you like better.
For me, they are worth the extra cost. Although I alternate between Custom and Dr.Lee just to save a little cash.
05-24-2005, 01:41 PM
I ordered from WSHP. THey have the mino 5%/AA 5% in a combo together and it comes in a little spray bottle. Maybe I'll use custom or Dr. Lee next time...
05-29-2005, 03:02 PM
Has anyone ordered from www.hair2go.com?
This is what i'm looking to buy
1. %2 Nizoral Shampoo
2. %5 Minoxidil
3. Avodart® (Dutasteride 0.5mg)
4. Propecia (Finasteride)
You guys think this will hinder muscle growth? Also if that link is not reliable can you guys give me links to where i can buy this stuff? thanks
05-29-2005, 04:59 PM
Hey Changing - thanks for the link that site has some interesting products. Their prices seem on the high side though. Read through the first page in this thread, should answer your questions regarding oral androgen blockers.
05-29-2005, 06:05 PM
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