Hair Loss Prevention

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I would think Spironolactone.

    When on a cycle, personally I would run the whole stack. Azelaic,Minoxidil,and Spiro 2x a day. Nizoral 1x/day.

    BV
    I agree with the kitchen sink aproach. But my only gripe is that spiro only stays active in the scalp for a few hours.


  2. Bump....seriously great thread...

    Anyone use AA solo for prevention? Seems like it would work for even a heavy cycle...
    Spiro sounds good, but application twice a day is something I would rather avoid, if possible....

    O14
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Odessa14
    Bump....seriously great thread...

    Anyone use AA solo for prevention? Seems like it would work for even a heavy cycle...
    Spiro sounds good, but application twice a day is something I would rather avoid, if possible....

    O14
    BV might have a differnt take on this but here's mine. AA (combined with minox 12.5 % and 5%) did nothing more then regular minox. I know this does not exactly answer your question. But for me it would not be a mainstay of my hairloss prevention program.

  4. Bump....seriously great thread...

    Anyone use AA solo for prevention? Seems like it would work for even a heavy cycle...
    Spiro sounds good, but application twice a day is something I would rather avoid, if possible....
    Well, the thing you have to consider here is that Azelaic Acid is only working to block DHT. IMO, if you're NOT on a cycle, it *may* be sufficient because generally DHT is the prime factor in MPB when a male's hormonal balance is 'normal'. This is not to say that other androgens, or any other factors may be contributing to hair loss. It's just that, according to the most current studies, DHT is the molecule that is primarily responsible for most cases of MPB.

    While ON, however, you have to consider that you have an elevated amount of androgenic hormones flowing through your system. I believe that this may also contribute to shedding, especially in cases where the androgen in question dosent necessarily convert to DHT, but puts you at an increased risk of losing your hair. 1test comes to mind here, although it is known to have some DHT conversion it dosent convert through the 5AR pathway, like test(so its anyone's guess as to how much actually converts to DHT). Trenbolone is another highly androgenic hormone, which is known to aggrevate MPB, and I dont *think* it converts to DHT.

    So, when on a cycle I would think it would almost be necessary to apply 2% Spiro solution 2x per day. Even 3x per day if you can manage. Its a general anti-androgen and should block other androgenic molecules in the scalp, in addition to DHT. Keep an eye on Fluridil, its supposed to be more effective than Spiro, with a longer half-life. I dont think its available yet, however.

    BV might have a differnt take on this but here's mine. AA (combined with minox 12.5 % and 5%) did nothing more then regular minox. I know this does not exactly answer your question. But for me it would not be a mainstay of my hairloss prevention program.
    That's another point to consider - these hairloss treatments work to varying degrees of efficacy with those who try them. The AA/Minox combo seems to be working wonders for me, and yet LCSULLA didnt find AA all that helpful. Another reason to try the 'kitchen sink' approach. One product might work better for you than others, they may have varying degrees of synergy when working together, etc.

    If your losing your hair, and you want to save it, or if you're going on a cycle and you're worrying about losing it, dont cut corners. After you've seen some regrowth, you can always drop a product here or there and see if the positive effects slow down, etc. At the very least, I would always continue using minoxidil if you are currently losing hair.

  5. The new kid on the block is Duasteride. I am yet to try it though in place of finasteride. Good post!!!
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  6. there was a thread a while back that nizoral 1 % is as good as 2%.

    i would like to be safe,anyone know a website where i can buy 2 %/

    also is spiro taken orally or is it rubbed on hair?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea
    there was a thread a while back that nizoral 1 % was as good as 2%.

    i would like to be safe,anyone know a website where i can buy 2 %/

    also is spiro taken orally or is it rubbed on hair?
    www.nizoral2percent.com

    Spiro is applied topically.

  8. [QUOTE=BigVrunga]
    Keep an eye on Fluridil, its supposed to be more effective than Spiro, with a longer half-life. I dont think its available yet, however.
    You can get it from overseas. And it should be no problem importing because it is considered a "cosmetic" in the EU. I know a couple site that sell it. I'll post the links if people want me to?

    That's another point to consider - these hairloss treatments work to varying degrees of efficacy with those who try them. The AA/Minox combo seems to be working wonders for me, and yet LCSULLA didnt find AA all that helpful. Another reason to try the 'kitchen sink' approach. One product might work better for you than others, they may have varying degrees of synergy when working together, etc.

    If your losing your hair, and you want to save it, or if you're going on a cycle and you're worrying about losing it, dont cut corners. After you've seen some regrowth, you can always drop a product here or there and see if the positive effects slow down, etc. At the very least, I would always continue using minoxidil if you are currently losing hair.
    I agree with BV on this approach while on gear. Normally I use Avodart x 1 and 5% minox x2 and this works well. But if I was using, let's say Tren, test and dbol, then I would be using Avodart, 5% Xondax (sp?), Fluridil, and 2% Nizoral. Also keep in mind that if you jump up minox % then there will be a shedding phase. So if you use 5% on a everyday basis, then jump to 12.5 (or even 15%) while using gear, there will be a 3-6 month period where you shed. Thsi is just something I think people should keep in mind.

  9. You can get it from overseas. And it should be no problem importing because it is considered a "cosmetic" in the EU. I know a couple site that sell it. I'll post the links if people want me to?
    Please do!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Please do!
    www.menspharma.com
    www.vitaminox.com

    I know these two sell it. I have heard that menspharma is pretty reliable. The second, Viaminox is a German site. But I think it delivers to the US and the page is in english

  11. I wonder how effective it is compared to spiro - its nearly 3x as much. Great info though, Ill definately keep up on it. Thanks bro.

    BV

  12. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I wonder how effective it is compared to spiro - its nearly 3x as much. Great info though, Ill definately keep up on it. Thanks bro.

    BV
    I am going to run it with a cycle in the next few months, so I will keep you updated.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I wonder how effective it is compared to spiro - its nearly 3x as much. Great info though, Ill definately keep up on it. Thanks bro.

    BV
    Don't forget, those prices were in pounds, not $$$$. The $ is extremely weak right now, to the point that people fly from Paris and London just to go shopping.

  14. I think its Euros, thought it was pounds too but when you click the Paypal like the currency is in Euros.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I think its Euros, thought it was pounds too but when you click the Paypal like the currency is in Euros.
    Even still, the $ is weak-as-hell compared to the Euro. The Euro was initially tied to the $, but it has gotten stronger as the $ has gotten weaker.

  16. where would be a good place to get fasteride, ive seen it at IBE but I don't know if it's topical or oral. Any help?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ericnb_98
    where would be a good place to get fasteride, ive seen it at IBE but I don't know if it's topical or oral. Any help?
    It's an oral. Topical is is not that effective.

  18. Very informative to those who have yet to research. I see a lot of questions about various products on multiple boards.

    For those that are wondering about finasteride. I bought 5mg Fincar (generic 5mg finasteride aka proscar) from Inhousepharmacy. I cut them into 1-1.25 sections with a pill cutter. This is a very cheap way to take finasteride.

    I was very worried about gains, estrogenic sides and so on when I first started. I've been on it about 2 years now and I have had no negative sides. My sex drive is completely the same (although i am 22) and I havent noticed any decrease in gains. I ran a cycle, gained well and came off. After i was fully recovered I proceeded to gain another 5-6lb all natural muscle in my off time. I dont feel that it has hurt my gains in any way. DHT is somewhat of a natural anti-estrogen within the body. Worst case scenerio you might be more likely to put on fat since you have less DHT and slightly more estrogen. This has not happened in my case though. Im just saying it could be possible. Instances of estrogen induced gyno are very rare on finasteride. Everyone is different though. If running a heavy Test cycle its possible that on finasteride you could have higher estrogen. You could use arimidex in this case. I havent had any problems myself though.

    Nothing will grow hair back well. Your best bet is to take a PROACTIVE approach and PROTECT the hair that you do have. In my case I feel that finasteride has protected my hair and reduced loss. I think I will have 3-4 years more time before people will notice its obviously thinning. Thats more than I would have had on nothing. Eventually you will always lose the battle though.

    I might add that Ive been using Topicals the whole time too. Regrowth's (Dr. Lee's) Xandrox is a very good Minox AAcid blend. This is anti-dht AT THE SCALP + regrowth. I have also purchased products from Wholesalehaircare due to the better prices. I always questioned quality and formulation though. Im hoping someone reputable will produce and EXACT clone of Xandrox or his Spiro cream and sell it. They can jack up the price and STILL undercut Dr. Lee by a ton. This is a large market and very few places to get the stuff.
    That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche

  19. Nothing will grow hair back well. Your best bet is to take a PROACTIVE approach and PROTECT the hair that you do have. In my case I feel that finasteride has protected my hair and reduced loss. I think I will have 3-4 years more time before people will notice its obviously thinning. Thats more than I would have had on nothing. Eventually you will always lose the battle though.
    Good info on Finasteride. Ive never used it, Im saving it for the day that I may actually need it, as the topicals are working more than well enough for the time being.

    You're spot-on about preventative maitenence. If someone who was sure they were going to suffer hair loss started using these products in their early 20's (as you are), they may never go through it. Everyone is differnet, but studies show that 80% of users see varying degrees of positive results from the AA/Minox/Spiro/Nizoral combo. That's a pretty good number. However, it still sucks for the other 20%.

    In my case, my hair was obviously thinning, but the topicals did regrow a fair amount of hair and it continues to improve. With contined use, I hope I don't eventually lose the battle. If anything, I hope I keep my hair long enough for medical science to improve to the point where there is actually a cure for MPB and not just a treatment.

    And if it dosent, then its a good thing I work out because Ill look better with a shaved head!

    BV

  20. People keep saying that you'll eventually lose the battle to MPB.

    I don't know. I've been on finasteride/minox for 6.5 years and have a full head of hair after starting when the crown of my head was beginning to thin.

    A buddy of mine has been at it for longer than I have, and he's got a full head of hair.

    I'm just not convinced that hairloss isn't something that can be avoided.

    ALSO: A really good site to get Proscar is at qhi.co.uk. No script needed, and about 5 months worth for $50 or so.

  21. Thanks for the link mtruther. I agree that it is possible to avoid hairloss if one is responsive to the treatments. For some guys, it might just slow down the ineveitable however.

  22. One problem I have with all the topicals is they all seem to give me dandruff after they dry. Currently I'm only using minox 5% but I noticed the same thing when using spiro and AA. Is there any way to prevent the dandruff? Currently I'm using finasteride 1.25 mg ED, nizoral 2% EOD, and minox 5% 2x ED.

  23. Is there any way to prevent the dandruff?
    Ive had the same problem, here's the fix: At night, skip an application of the topicals and rub some good moisturizing lotion into your scalp. It'll make your hair all greasy but who cares, you're going to sleep.

    When you wake up, dandruff will be gone! It actually might take a couple applications but usually one is good enough for me.

    Normal dandruff is caused by the Pityrosporum ovale fungus. If you're using Nizoral, this isnt an issue. Its just dry scalp from the chemicals in the topicals (ethanol, propylene glycol, etc)...skin lotion does the trick.

    BV

  24. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Ive had the same problem, here's the fix: At night, skip an application of the topicals and rub some good moisturizing lotion into your scalp. It'll make your hair all greasy but who cares, you're going to sleep.

    When you wake up, dandruff will be gone! It actually might take a couple applications but usually one is good enough for me.

    Normal dandruff is caused by the Pityrosporum ovale fungus. If you're using Nizoral, this isnt an issue. Its just dry scalp from the chemicals in the topicals (ethanol, propylene glycol, etc)...skin lotion does the trick.

    BV
    I have the same problem. Dr. Lee's minox/AA has a compound in called BV. I rember it made my scalp silky. Great stuff.

  25. Right from Dr.Lee's site:

    Betamethasone valerate: Betamethasone valerate is a topical corticosteriod approved
    by the United Stated Food and Drug Administration for treatment of various skin
    disorders. It can be used in very low concentrations to reduce any inflammation
    caused by propylene glycol or alcohol in the minoxidil formulation. Betamethasone
    valerate has been in use in Western medicine for many decades and is very safe in
    the low concentrations (0.025%) used in our special order minoxidil solutions. If
    you don't have any drying or irritation from the propylene glycol or alcohol in
    the minoxidil solutions, you can choose to use our standard minoxidil solutions
    without betamethasone valerate in the base. Betamethasone in the low dosage found
    in our special order solutions is not directly associated to hair growth.
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