Hair Loss Prevention

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Ah, was this the place?

    http://www.amazinglasercomb.com/
    I came across this thread the other day..it`s pretty long, but near the last page or so there are links to buy the stuff you need.

    http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/m...E=&STARTPAGE=1


  2. NICE. Great info in there. Thanks man!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Ah, was this the place?

    http://www.amazinglasercomb.com/
    It is that place. I assumed you already knew about it.

  4. It is that place. I assumed you already knew about it.
    Hadn't really looked too deep into laser therapy, as minox/aa has been working pretty well for me. But now that I can build my own for less than 1/10th the cost of the HairMax model - it can't hurt to give it a try...

    BV

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Hadn't really looked too deep into laser therapy, as minox/aa has been working pretty well for me. But now that I can build my own for less than 1/10th the cost of the HairMax model - it can't hurt to give it a try...

    BV
    Exactly my thinking.
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  6. Well guys - thanks to Shock133's post piquing my interest in LLLT and travbedaman's link, I am going to go ahead and build my own 'laser brush' unit. Im pretty handy with a soldering iron, so it should be a fun project...

    Ill keep this thread updated with progress pics, etc. Most of the reviews Ive read concerning laser therapy are surprisingly positive - looking forward to trying it out.

    BV

  7. I have started using Xandrox 5, a laser comb and Nano shampoo/conditioner about 2 weeks ago and have seen great improvements.
    I did a search and Nano hasn't been mentioned until now. Has anyone else used it? (Or Nisim?) Thanks.

  8. Good luck with your project BigVrunga!!
    Sounds fun.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rrgg
    I did a search and Nano hasn't been mentioned until now. Has anyone else used it? (Or Nisim?) Thanks.
    Just me I guess. I read some research on different shampoos and Nano was the only one that had regrown hair. I have used Nioxin and that stuff is awesome too. I'm not sure about regrowth from it but it definitely makes your hair healthy and quite a bit thicker.

  10. Shock where are you getting your Nano?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Shock where are you getting your Nano?
    I purchased the Nano shampoo and conditioner from www.drproctor.com

    I don't know if that's the only site selling it or if it's the cheapest but that's where I purchased it.

  12. ive read that Azelaic acid is the best dht inhibitor with no side effects penetrating into the skin. I dont know how true this is but it looks promising.

    im doing my first superdol cycle real soon. I am wondering if Azelaic acid should be effective in blocking dht , stop sheddign if it is a cuprit because at first research superdrol didnt cause thing, but now i see a couple people who say theyve done a superdrol cycle that could have caused some thinning. Im not leaving this one up the chance boys.

    Bv, Shock and others please comment

  13. smeton - AFIK, hairloss from superdrol could come from DHT or another androgenic metabolite...its such a new compound I dont think anyone really knows for sure.

    With this in mind, your best bet is a combination of AA and an general androgen blocker like Spiro or Fluridil.

    You also might want to give the laser comb a try...I didnt believe it myself at first but after reading numerous reports of positive user feedback I have to try this for myself! The link above is where Shock133 got his 'laser brush' - you can get one fully assembled for ~$100 or buy the kit and build it yourself for about $80. Ill be ordering most of the components today for mine - looks like you can build one yourself if you shop around for the most inexpensive components for around $40.

    The Nano shampoo that Shock mentioned also looks very promising as well.

    If you're already thinning or know for sure your genetically prone to MBP - best to attack the issue of prevention from every conceivable angle.

    BV

  14. BTW - I had mentioned a few posts above that I experienced thinning after using WHP.com's minoxidil/aa product. Its still to early to tell - but Im leaning toward it being an actual increasing in minoxidil dosage.

    I experienced some shedding for about 2-3 weeks after starting the WHP solution. Now, I can actually grab a fistful of hairs on my head and yank on them *hard* and I'll only lose like 2-3 hairs. More evidence that an increase in the amount if minox getting to my scalp could have caused temporary shedding.

    We'll see over the next few weeks...

    BV

  15. Ok guys so I just purchaed 6 650nm, 5mW, 3VDC laser diodes off Ebay for $26.50, shipped. I have a universal AC/DC power adapter at home, and the remainder of the parts (wires, brush, connectors, etc) should cost about $10 or so from Radio Shack.

    Looks like you can build a 6-laser laser comb yourself for about $50, and that's if you have to buy a power adapter (3-12v Universal AC/DC adapters go for around $14.00 shipped on Ebay).

    The 6 diode comb on www.amazinglasercomb.com sells for $130. That's still a great price if you dont want to go through the hassle of building it, especially considering the HairMax laser comb sells for $700 new.

    Pics and schematics to follow...

    BV

  16. Bv,

    does AA or Minoxidil cause shedding at first?

    let us know how well the haircomb works .


    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    BTW - I had mentioned a few posts above that I experienced thinning after using WHP.com's minoxidil/aa product. Its still to early to tell - but Im leaning toward it being an actual increasing in minoxidil dosage.

    I experienced some shedding for about 2-3 weeks after starting the WHP solution. Now, I can actually grab a fistful of hairs on my head and yank on them *hard* and I'll only lose like 2-3 hairs. More evidence that an increase in the amount if minox getting to my scalp could have caused temporary shedding.

    We'll see over the next few weeks...

    BV
  17. Dave001
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    Why do some of you think that azelaic acid (AA) inhibits 5 alpha-reductase (5aR) in the hair follicle? The only study showing any effect of AA on 5aR was the in vitro study by Samatiadis et al.[1], which was published in the British Dermatology in 1988. That was nearly twenty-years ago, and the results have never been repeated in vivo.

    Furthermore, AA has not been shown to reduce sebum production (a strong marker of local androgen activity), despite its extensive use in acne. I think it's very unlikely that AA is an effective inhibitor of 5aR in the hair follicle, but not in the sebaceous glands.

    1. Stamatiadis, D., M. C. Bulteau-Portois, et al. (1988). "Inhibition of 5 alpha-reductase activity in human skin by zinc and azelaic acid." British Journal of Dermatology 119(5): 627-32.

  18. Why do some of you think that azelaic acid (AA) inhibits 5 alpha-reductase (5aR) in the hair follicle? The only study showing any effect of AA on 5aR was the in vitro study by Samatiadis et al.[1], which was published in the British Dermatology in 1988. That was nearly twenty-years ago, and the results have never been repeated in vivo.

    Furthermore, AA has not been shown to reduce sebum production (a strong marker of local androgen activity), despite its extensive use in acne. I think it's very unlikely that AA is an effective inhibitor of 5aR in the hair follicle, but not in the sebaceous glands.
    I dont know bro - seems to work pretty well for a lot of people.

    BV

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Ok guys so I just purchaed 6 650nm, 5mW, 3VDC laser diodes off Ebay for $26.50, shipped. I have a universal AC/DC power adapter at home, and the remainder of the parts (wires, brush, connectors, etc) should cost about $10 or so from Radio Shack.

    Looks like you can build a 6-laser laser comb yourself for about $50, and that's if you have to buy a power adapter (3-12v Universal AC/DC adapters go for around $14.00 shipped on Ebay).

    The 6 diode comb on www.amazinglasercomb.com sells for $130. That's still a great price if you dont want to go through the hassle of building it, especially considering the HairMax laser comb sells for $700 new.

    Pics and schematics to follow...

    BV
    BV keep us updated on the comb. I was thinking about just buying some AA and spiro, but the comb sounds pretty intriguing. I'm definately interested.

    How often do you use the comb and for how long? I guess i should ask what is your regimen using the comb??
  20. Dave001
    Dave001's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I dont know bro - seems to work pretty well for a lot of people.
    I'm not quite sure what you mean. There haven't been any controlled trials of azelaic acid in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia (AGA). I would strongly caution against assigning any value to anecdotal reports, especially when they concern a process such as AGA, which naturally progresses very slowly and unpredictably. Please don't make me list the problems with doing so.

  21. smeton_yea:

    My experience shows that the AA is responsible for the shedding; I only experienced the shedding after applying AA. When I was ran out of AA on a couple occasions, just applying Minoxidil and/or shampooing with Nizoral (the other two weapons in my arsenal) did NOT result in shedding.

  22. 10-15 minutes 2x per week is what's suggested. When I first read about LLLT, I was very skeptical. However, Shock133's posts and general research got me started thinking otherwise.

    I plan on using the comb along with topical Minoxidil/AA/Retin-A/Regrowth Treatment Shampoo (Nizoral + Salycilic acid) and Nano shampoo. Im keeping Finasteride as an option, but dont want to use it unless I feel I have to.

    I have a heck of a lot more hair on my head than my Dad did at my age, but you can tell its thinner in some spots if you look close enough. My goal (and isnt everybody's) to have a thick head of hair with no signs whatsoever of MPB.

    BV

  23. So, the Nano shampoo is like minox? Once you start using it you can't really stop right?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Grifter
    So, the Nano shampoo is like minox? Once you start using it you can't really stop right?
    It's America. You can stop anything if you choose. Now in Germany, in the late 30's and early 40's you may actually be required to use Nano for the rest of your life.

  25. I'm not quite sure what you mean. There haven't been any controlled trials of azelaic acid in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia (AGA). I would strongly caution against assigning any value to anecdotal reports, especially when they concern a process such as AGA, which naturally progresses very slowly and unpredictably. Please don't make me list the problems with doing so.
    I know that there arent any clinical trials proving the efficacy of AA in the treatment of AGA. I also know that since Ive been using AA/Minoxidil products Ive regrown a good bit of hair. Maybe this was due only to the effects Minoxidil. Perhaps everyone who has shown positive results with an azelaic acid/minoxidil combo is mistaken and is just wasting their money.

    Maybe, when someone is losing their hair they'll try anything that shows promise and has worked well for other people. And yes, I have relied on anecdotal evidence when it comes to trying to reverse my genetic AGA. As long as I keep seeing my hair get thicker, I will continue to do so.

    If you'd like to list the problems that accompany this less-than-scientific approach please, feel free. Meanwhile, I will keep researching any and all affordable solutions that show promise when it comes to slowing down/halting/reversing this piece of **** genetic affliction that 50% of the male population has to deal with at some point in their lives.

    So, the Nano shampoo is like minox? Once you start using it you can't really stop right?
    I don't know, I hadn't heard of it until Shock mentioned it in his post. AFIK, Nano 'may' help to regrow hair. Might be worth trying, its not very expensive.

    BV
    Last edited by BigVrunga; 09-09-2005 at 02:34 AM.
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