Hair Loss Prevention

[Jessep76]

Iam starting Dutasteride at 0,5mg/ed in a couple of days.
Do I need to load with a higher dose for the first two weeks or something?
To prevent estro sides,is it enought to run 6Bromo at 50-100mg/ed or ATD?

Thanx.

May I ask why you are taking Dutasteride over Propecia? I've read the side effects of propecia don't compare to Dutast. I'm wondering if an AI such as atd or 6bro would be working against the whole purpose of taking Duta. Formestane on the other hand, Ive read also lowers DHT (not sure if thats totally true), but if it did it could work hand in hand. Also consider spacing out your doses. Finasteride is still effective at 3 to 4 doses a week instead of everyday which could potentially lower the risk of side effects. Duta might work the same way

[ironwiz]

So guys just a update:

I have been using the regenpure DR and NT. DR has been drying out my hair and NT isnt really nourishing at all. So i have reverted back to my original conditioner to use after i use DR.

Also i will be starting to use Jarrow Formulas Toco-Sorb soon which is the vitamin e complex that was originally used in the study for hair loss, not toco-8.

[Handytom]

I heard saw palmetto blocks DHT

[ironwiz]

I heard saw palmetto blocks DHT

Meh, i dont believe that there is enough evidence supporting this theory at all... Save your money.

[robinjohn12]

Lots of stuff available here, but I think steroids can not be harmful if it use by advice of expert.

[ironwiz]

I'm currently adding Hyaluronic acid into my hair-loss prevention regime. Has any one had any results? I am finding that my scalp/hair doesn't seem as dry hence resulting in healthier hair


Hyaluronic Acid in Scalp Tissue and Hair Follicles

Structurally the scalp is identical to the skin tissue located throughout the body except it also contains about 100,000 hair follicles that give rise to hair. Actually the hair and the hair follicle are a derivative of skin tissue. There are two distinctive skin layers, one, the epidermis (outer layer) which gives rise to the protective shield of the body and the other, the dermal layer (deep layer) which makes up the bulk of the skin and is where the hair follicle is located. This dermal layer is composed of connective tissue and the connective tissue, with its gelatinous fluid like characteristics provides support, nourishes and hydrates the deep layers of the scalp. The result is healthy lustrous hair and a moisturized scalp. Again, all of this is made possible because of the presence of HA in the scalp.

http://www.hyalogic.com/main/about_hyaluronic_acid

[robinjohn12]

Nice and useful info you post.

[Handytom]

good info

[1976pianoman]

Holy crap. This thread is 100+ pages long. I've read through much of it but not all of it. I'm 2 days into my first cycle - 30/30/30/30 epistane. This is the first and only time I am going to do PH. If I ever do another cycle it will be the real stuff. I'm concerned about hair loss. I've been on generic proscar (finasteride) 5mg that I cut into 1/4's for about 3 years. I also do Kirkland brand Minoxidil (Rogaine) foam from Costco. It seems it's stopped my hairloss, or at least slowed it down tremendously. My question is, should I up my finasteride dosage while on my epistane cycle? Maybe take a half pill (2.5 mg) or a whole pill (5mg) daily, instead of a 1/4 pill (1.25 mg) daily?I suppose keeping my hair takes precedent over gains,but at the same time I don't want all this work I'm doing this month to be wasted. What I discovered in my research is that epistane is practically identical to DHT. Therefore if finasteride blocks DHT, it's going to also block epistane. What I don't know is if this method of blocking occurs somehow and somewhere outside the scope of what matters for muscle gains. Maybe it only blocks somehow in the mechanisms involving hair loss? I don't think we would be that lucky. Logic would say that's is ridiculous to take a DHT blocker like finasteride while on epistane. Yet it seems everybody is doing it, right? Problems with increasing to 5mg not only effecting gains but hugely effecting libido. My doctor said that the only people that should ever take a full 5mg finasteride dose are prostate cancer patients. Truth is that I am not ****ing right now, so I don't care about not being able to get it up for a month. I'm mainly concerned about blocking my gains. So what to do? Thanks.

[greaser]

I've been on Proscar/Propecia for like 12 years, and minoxidil as well. Together they stopped or at least dramatically slowed down my hair loss. Don't worry about 4 weeks of Epi. That won't do anything to your hairline. I've run several Epi cycles and it made no difference to my head. Epi is NOT DHT, but it is similar. Finasteride aka Proscar, is a type 2 5a reductase inhibitor. It does not "block DHT," it only prevents testosterone from being 5 alpha reduced to DHT, so it lowers your DHT levels. The prohormones and steroids you'd need to worry about would be ones (like testosterone) that interact with the 5AR enzyme and get reduced to DHT. So if you were using T, then a bit more finasteride might be called for, but not for Epi.

Holy crap. This thread is 100+ pages long. I've read through much of it but not all of it. I'm 2 days into my first cycle - 30/30/30/30 epistane. This is the first and only time I am going to do PH. If I ever do another cycle it will be the real stuff. I'm concerned about hair loss. I've been on generic proscar (finasteride) 5mg that I cut into 1/4's for about 3 years. I also do Kirkland brand Minoxidil (Rogaine) foam from Costco. It seems it's stopped my hairloss, or at least slowed it down tremendously. My question is, should I up my finasteride dosage while on my epistane cycle? Maybe take a half pill (2.5 mg) or a whole pill (5mg) daily, instead of a 1/4 pill (1.25 mg) daily?I suppose keeping my hair takes precedent over gains,but at the same time I don't want all this work I'm doing this month to be wasted. What I discovered in my research is that epistane is practically identical to DHT. Therefore if finasteride blocks DHT, it's going to also block epistane. What I don't know is if this method of blocking occurs somehow and somewhere outside the scope of what matters for muscle gains. Maybe it only blocks somehow in the mechanisms involving hair loss? I don't think we would be that lucky. Logic would say that's is ridiculous to take a DHT blocker like finasteride while on epistane. Yet it seems everybody is doing it, right? Problems with increasing to 5mg not only effecting gains but hugely effecting libido. My doctor said that the only people that should ever take a full 5mg finasteride dose are prostate cancer patients. Truth is that I am not ****ing right now, so I don't care about not being able to get it up for a month. I'm mainly concerned about blocking my gains. So what to do? Thanks.

[1976pianoman]

Wow. Thank you man. Very informative. That's a relief. I will keep it at 1.25 daily.

So if and when I move over to real gear, what would be a good choice that would not contribute to my hair loss? Obviously stay away from test. What about primobolan or letrozle?

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Keep in mind that when on epi your test levels will be reduced so you could get off the fina til after cycle. Your DHT levels will be very low during cycle already.

[1976pianoman]

That's right! I knew that about my test levels post cycle, but never considered how that might effect needing to take my daily finasteride. Thanks you! Because I'm freaked out over losing hair, I will probably continue to take the 1/4 pill daily always - even post cycle, unless some serious libido problems occur.

[greaser]

Keep in mind that when on epi your test levels will be reduced so you could get off the fina til after cycle. Your DHT levels will be very low during cycle already.

This.^^ In fact, being on Finasteride puts you at a very high risk for gyno, because your DHT levels are very low and DHT is your body's natural estrogen antagonist. I just got done with a (PH)tren/epi cycle and I stopped taking proscar the whole time. I'm in my last week of PCT and I STILL won't take it for another week or so until my hormone levels have stabilized. I've gotten "rebound" gyno before, from non-aromatizing compounds like Hdrol, several months AFTER a successful SERM PCT. Just keep using your minoxidil the whole time and you should be OK.

[1976pianoman]

This.^^ In fact, being on Finasteride puts you at a very high risk for gyno, because your DHT levels are very low and DHT is your body's natural estrogen antagonist. I just got done with a (PH)tren/epi cycle and I stopped taking proscar the whole time. I'm in my last week of PCT and I STILL won't take it for another week or so until my hormone levels have stabilized. I've gotten "rebound" gyno before, from non-aromatizing compounds like Hdrol, several months AFTER a successful SERM PCT. Just keep using your minoxidil the whole time and you should be OK.

****. and I was actually thinking at one point to UP my dosage... You know, I misread what whiteboy was saying kinda. Now I get it. Okay, I'll stop the finfin until I'm off the epi. THANK YOU.I have much to learn about epi. I thought it increased test. I thought all gear increased test in one way or another. I'm very new to this, and need to research more I suppose.

[greaser]

That is a question that I am constantly researching. It really does suck, because guys like us have very limited options. Testosterone really should be the base around which all cycles are built, but it's off limits for us. The prohormone version of "tren," (dienolone) is not very androgenic and is highly anabolic. Some people will tell you otherwise, but they are confusing it with actual trenbolone and they are WRONG. http://www.mindandmuscle.net/article...nes-dienolone/ That makes it fairly safe for your hair, but it's a very suppressive compound, and most people would advise running either test, or something that converts to DHT to combat sides, but both of those are a no-go for us. Oral Turinabol is a hair-safe compound, but it's an oral methylated compound, so you might as well just use Hdrol.

Wow. Thank you man. Very informative. That's a relief. I will keep it at 1.25 daily.

So if and when I move over to real gear, what would be a good choice that would not contribute to my hair loss? Obviously stay away from test. What about primobolan or letrozle?

[greaser]

****. and I was actually thinking at one point to UP my dosage... You know, I misread what whiteboy was saying kinda. Now I get it. Okay, I'll stop the finfin until I'm off the epi. THANK YOU.I have much to learn about epi. I thought it increased test. I thought all gear increased test in one way or another. I'm very new to this, and need to research more I suppose.

You should honestly probably research things a bit more before you start your cycle. Everyone should ideally have at least a working understanding of the HTPA and how exogenous steroids suppress it via the negative feedback loop. The only thing you can take that will make your testosterone levels go up is testosterone -- or something that converts to it. However, it's not YOUR testosterone that will increase -- it will actually be shut down -- it's just that you are injecting several times more than what your body would normally produce. So if you were taking a compound like testosterone that gets 5AR reduced to DHT, then you WOULD want to use finasteride to reduce the amount that got converted. However, taking epi or Trenazone, or Hdrol, etc., will shut down your natural T production, and since none of those compounds convert to DHT, you will have very little DHT floating around in your system to attack your hair.

I'm a little concerned too that you might not have a good PCT lined up. Could you say what you're planning for that?

[1976pianoman]

You should honestly probably research things a bit more before you start your cycle. Everyone should ideally have at least a working understanding of the HTPA and how exogenous steroids suppress it via the negative feedback loop. The only thing you can take that will make your testosterone levels go up is testosterone -- or something that converts to it. However, it's not YOUR testosterone that will increase -- it will actually be shut down -- it's just that you are injecting several times more than what your body would normally produce. So if you were taking a compound like testosterone that gets 5AR reduced to DHT, then you WOULD want to use finasteride to reduce the amount that got converted. However, taking epi or Trenazone, or Hdrol, etc., will shut down your natural T production, and since none of those compounds convert to DHT, you will have very little DHT floating around in your system to attack your hair. I'm a little concerned too that you might not have a good PCT lined up. Could you say what you're planning for that?

Okay, now I get it. Thanks.I am taking CEL cycle support btw.

For PCT I am doing Nolva 40/20/20/20.

[ironwiz]

Okay, now I get it. Thanks.I am taking CEL cycle support btw.

For PCT I am doing Nolva 40/20/20/20.

I don't believe you should ever increase your dosage of fin unless you absolutely have to. Its a prescription medicine that is plagued by plenty of sides that i would want to avoid.

As for your PCT it looks great for EPI cycle. A better one would be: Nolva at your current protocol and introduce DAA at 3/3/3/3/3/3grams and erase at 0/0/3/3/2/1.

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Dont use fina with deca. It reduces it to a less potent hormone. Waste of deca.