SD 10 mg or hdrol for 1st toxic??

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  1. SD 10 mg or hdrol for 1st toxic??


    I've heard SD was banned and was thinking about jumping on getting some before its gone (unless it will take a long time to sell out). I did the AMS growth kit @ 1.5x dose, 2 kits back to back for my first cycle and the results were.... not as good as I expected (maybe 4 lbs LBM in 6 weeks, 7 lbs total). I'm VERY motivated and have gotten good results naturally. I was totally set on hdrol but have seen people get low sides and great gains from 4-6 wks of SD @ 10 mg. 8-10 lbs in 4 weeks with no sides/ low sides sounds pretty good to me.

    Should I jump in for a 4-5 weeker on SD or just go hdrol being my first toxic compound? I wish I could buy them both and run hdrol first but money is tight so I need to choose.

    Diet is awesome, training is better, I'm well educated on PCT.


  2. Superdrol is already banned so unless you know someone with it or can find it on eBay or something you'll have to go with halodrol
    Hdrol is probably a better first option anyway
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  3. Seems like its out there...

    Let me put it this way, if you could go back (anyone who has done both)... would you just do a low dosed SD cycle or start with hdrol? Honestly...

  4. My first was superdrol and I loved it

    I haven't done hdrol though but I know it's supposed to be much milder

  5. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Seems like its out there...

    Let me put it this way, if you could go back (anyone who has done both)... would you just do a low dosed SD cycle or start with hdrol? Honestly...
    Are those the only two options? I'd use M-Sten over both of those.. not nearly as harsh as the SD, but very comparable in terms of strength and size gains.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Adrenolin View Post
    Are those the only two options? I'd use M-Sten over both of those.. not nearly as harsh as the SD, but very comparable in terms of strength and size gains.
    No they arent... just what I have narrowed down to in research. Tell me about this M-Sten you speak of... wetter? Ill google a bit and check it. Not nearly as harsh but comparable gains? Wouldn't everyone do it?

  7. msten has all sorts of fukin reviews so who knows what it does until you try it. as to your first post id start with hdrol to see how your liver reacts to methyls. msten and sd are both dimethyl, so a lot worse. id also grab superdrol if you can and hold onto it for the future. i have 2 bottles of sd for that exact reason

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    msten has all sorts of fukin reviews so who knows what it does until you try it. as to your first post id start with hdrol to see how your liver reacts to methyls. msten and sd are both dimethyl, so a lot worse. id also grab superdrol if you can and hold onto it for the future. i have 2 bottles of sd for that exact reason
    Probably going to have to wait a few weeks but then Im looking for sure.

    Looks like the sensible thing is to start with hdrol.... epi interests me too because of the anabolic ratio... Im a super lean and tall guy. I gave terrible mass genetics but am pretty damn strong for as thin as I am. decisions decisions....

  9. epis a good start too its just a methhyl like hdrol. its dmz, sd, and msten that shouldnt be first cycle compounds

  10. As far as the comment that Superdrol "seems like it's out there" ... It's not. Not legally, at least. The ban took effect at the end of August, so if you don't already have it, know someone who has it or can get it for you, or are willing to purchase it illegally, it's off the table. You're probably better off starting with Halo or Epi anyway. Down the road if you want something comparable to Superdrol you can look into methylstenbolone, assuming it's still around.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by chris223
    As far as the comment that Superdrol "seems like it's out there" ... It's not. Not legally, at least. The ban took effect at the end of August, so if you don't already have it, know someone who has it or can get it for you, or are willing to purchase it illegally, it's off the table. You're probably better off starting with Halo or Epi anyway. Down the road if you want something comparable to Superdrol you can look into methylstenbolone, assuming it's still around.
    I purchased it after the ban easily lol

  12. My first cycle was hdrol and it was extremely legit. SD is fun as f**k but it is always best to start off with something mild to see how you react. There is no rush, you'll get to the big boys (SD and msten) soon enough lol. If anything run your hdrol higher, I suggest this:

    50/75/75/100/100/125

    And throw in some 5 alpha test by FRL for a nice DHT base. My first cycle was hdrol and androhard but unfortunately PP isn't around anymore.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985

    I purchased it after the ban easily lol
    I didn't say it was difficult. I said it was illegal. Laugh out loud.

  14. Epi was my first cycle: fantastic. Lean, tight gains, kept all of it, & shocking strength.

    I wouldn't let the legality of sdrol stop you, but it's going to stay in production by UGLs so you'll have plenty of time to get there later if you wait. M1T is just as available through them too. More of a decision as to whether you trust the drug to be legit & pure from some warehouse in Thailand.

  15. Don't care about legalities, I know I can find it. Now Im stuck with the age old question:
    Epi or Halo for my first

    Its hard for me to understand how Epi has such a crazy anabolic ratio but has similar gains to Hdrol. It would be the androgenic side that causes acne mostly?? Not that I really care that much but I do get bad acne and would lean one way if anyone thinks hdrol presents less acne but I know everyone is different.

    Is Epi more anabolic from an experience point? The ratio obviously suggests so....

    Edit: Is that why Hdrol is taken at a much higher dose mg-wise? Would that put it as a much higher androgenic side than Epi seeing as that is much more even and Epi seem way more anabolic??

  16. just flip a coin bud. if you wanna cut, go with epi. if you wanna do anything else, let fate decide

    and take the A:A ratios with a grain of salt cuz they dont accurately portray the effects of the steroids

  17. I'm prone to acne as well, and boy the Epi had my shoulders & face lookin' beastly. I expected it, no biggie, but fyi. No experience with Halo tho

  18. I assume they are both pretty equal. Anyone who has done both get less acne from either one?

  19. acne is very genetic, some pepe get it on cycle, some dont at all

  20. Not really what Im asking but Im sure its just as bad with either compound.

    Ive heard Inhibit helps some people, does that have any validity to it? Does anything out there help?

    My plan is to get a few tans afterwards haha, believe it or not it really zaps my skin clear bc it dries it up.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Not really what Im asking but Im sure its just as bad with either compound.

    Ive heard Inhibit helps some people, does that have any validity to it? Does anything out there help?

    My plan is to get a few tans afterwards haha, believe it or not it really zaps my skin clear bc it dries it up.
    Given your height and lean build I think some Hdrol would treat you well, especially if your diet and training are on point. As mentioned above it would be great alongside some Alpha 5 or a tube of Dermacrine if you can find it reasonably priced.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    No they arent... just what I have narrowed down to in research. Tell me about this M-Sten you speak of... wetter? Ill google a bit and check it. Not nearly as harsh but comparable gains? Wouldn't everyone do it?
    Well, judging by sales of the first week release... yeah, it appears everyone is 'doing it'. lol It's a drier, cleaner, and more euphoric run than SD. Take advantage of the deals going on right now. 15% Off w/ adrenolin15 at the checkout + orders over $100 are shipped free! Also, you can save big on buy 3 get 1 FREE - that's 4 cycles for $28.75!
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  23. this is why everyone hates reps. youre telling a newbie to start with a dimethyl as his first run. a dimethyl he knows nothing about. im sure your otc pct is just fine too cuz msten is completely nonsuppressive. am i right?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Adrenolin View Post
    Well, judging by sales of the first week release... yeah, it appears everyone is 'doing it'. lol It's a drier, cleaner, and more euphoric run than SD. Take advantage of the deals going on right now. 15% Off w/ adrenolin15 at the checkout + orders over $100 are shipped free! Also, you can save big on buy 3 get 1 FREE - that's 4 cycles for $28.75!
    I appreciate the offer but I'm not going to dive in like that. I have plenty of time to try it after I get my feet wet.

    Can anyone explain a bit about Alpha 5 test? I just came off a AMS growth stack with 4 dhea in it. How is this different from 4ad? One converts to test and the other DHT? Similar purpose though?

    What dose do you guy recommend? Gonna hit some research....

  25. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    I appreciate the offer but I'm not going to dive in like that. I have plenty of time to try it after I get my feet wet.
    Ya I feel you, but they won't be around forever. Might have till next Christmas we're lucky.
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