Starting first cycle for the first time and have questions

[armanm75]

Hi everyone, have been a big fan of AM and have been learning a lot from u guys and thx to u all finally I made the decision to go to the dark side also. I m planning on doing a test e cycle as advised for first timers (500mcg a week mon thusday devided into two) for 12 weeks and planning on adding winny or tren a to the end of the cycle to cut and start my pct.
My stats are: 37 years old, 215lbs, 17% bf, 6.2, have been lifting for 6 years and did osta and andromass cycles before with nice results. (On osta put like 8lbs in 6 weeks, andro about 17lbs in 2 months both shut me down and killed libido, did torem pct for both)

For the cycle im getting adex for cycle, aromasin for pct, have torem in hand but planning to get nolva also for pct, ordering also taurine for backbumps, have cycle support in hand, planing to get hcg also just in case (if I find a source my guy doesnt have it), have some liquid clen in hand to use at the end in my pct.
Since im typing this at work and dont have the written cycle info infront of me I cant give u guys the detailed info about my cycle in terms of how many mcgs of every indidual component but I know 500mcgs teste 12.5 eod adex thru cycle, 12.5 aromasin eod in pct, 60, 60, 50, 40 torem 2 weeks after last injection open to suggestions if anyone thinks how to stack nolva with it with which protocole, 3 to 5g taurine daily. Besides all 2g these, preworkout sups for lathergy, fishoils and glucosamine for joints, s$*t ton of vitamines, bcaa, daa and zma some other test booster that I dont remember the name (dont have the paper with me remember) will be included in pct.

Now some questions
1) what do u guys think about winny or tren which one to go with to cut in week 13 after im done with test e in week 12 or shall I do tren a or winny while im on test any opinions?

2) Im thinking about adding ostarine below 12.5 (read its not suppresive at that level) to pct any opinions suggestions on that?

3)Couldnt get and orals to stack with test e for the begining of the cycle before test kicks in, shall I do ostarine I have which im already on right now before test kicks in or some say bad idea they compete for the same receptors, any suggestions?

4)Anything else I havent written here that u experienced bros would suggest.

I ll start my cycle in 3 weeks after I drop to 12% bf by doing a keto diet and deplete my gloco deposits so once on cycle ll gain way faster hopefully. Thanks for reading and considering to help and hopefull not flaming me.
Can wait to be in beast mode and finally in the dark side dudes
Peace

[Thomasxavier]

Now some questions
1) what do u guys think about winny or tren which one to go with to cut in week 13 after im done with test e in week 12 or shall I do tren a or winny while im on test any opinions?

Just thought I'd say, we have a dude at my gym, 54 freaking years old, weighs like 200, THREE PERCENT BODY FAT, probably the most buff and most cut dude I've seen IRL, and he said he used winstrol to get down to the 3%. He said it's damn expensive if its legitimate though, tried throwing out a 700 dollar number at me (idk if that is accurate) but what I can say is that I recommend winstrol for cutting based on him alone lol

But if you ask me, I have seen more great results by people doing HIIT with a good diet, than any substance I can think of

[armanm75]

Thx for the suggestion brother, I want winny also becuse of its less sides compared to tren but the fact that tren is said to be the father of all and good for bulk and cut that d give perfrct results, only concern of mine is, is it too hardcore for the first cycle, my guys says dont be a wuss, experienced bros here on AM say do simpler in ur first cycle, dunno which way to go

[Thomasxavier]

my guys says dont be a wuss

Yeah stop talking to your guys. I can think of nothing more detrimental than going hardcore on your first cycle. I am on my first cycle, and ALL I'm using is test cyp. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to more or less risk your health / life while saying to stop being a puss. That's ... insane.

[armanm75]

I have to agree with u with the health part and winny being a great first cycle option my question is how bad would be the sides for one month use of tren just as a cutter in the end but not thru the whole cycle. I already ordered my winny tho since I decided to go with it, im asking just out of curiousity. Thx for your input and good luck with your first cycle also

[BLABD]

My first cycle was Sus and Winny and I loved it... Took about 6-8 weeks before I really felt or noticed much... but after that I felt like I was a God.

[Thomasxavier]

Does wherever you ordered it from accept returns?

And I just see too many people warning against using it at all on your first cycle. Hell, the more research I do on winstrol, I see a lot of negative on that too... lot of people say the damage to your body is more severe than the results you get... but who do/can we really trust?

But there was a guy who got great results using a tren only cycle as his FIRST cycle... people were praising him up and down... but he used something called diphenhydramine to counter the side effects, said it was effective.

and for reference, this was his diet.


Meal 1: Pre-workout - 1 cup 2% milk, 1/2 cup quick oats heated in microwave, added 1 scoop syntha 6 chocolate malt protein and splenda.. I call it bodybuilder soup, ****s delicious with a little splenda
Meal 2: Immediate Post-workout - 50g whey, 75g dextrose shake
Meal 3: 1 hr post workout - 5 oz tuna with salsa
Meal 4: 1 cup FF cottage cheese with salsa
Meal 5: 1/2 scoop whey, 1/2 scoop casein shake with ice, water and splenda in blender
Meal 6: 4 oz non-red meat (chicken breast or pork tenderloin usually) with carrots and broccoli
Meal 7: Bed - 1 scoop casein, 1 cup skim milk, 1 tsp peanut butter shake with ice and splenda in blender




Dude cut like 10% of his bodyfat. Ridiculous

[armanm75]

My first cycle was Sus and Winny and I loved it... Took about 6-8 weeks before I really felt or noticed much... but after that I felt like I was a God.

Yep, I hear u, that s my goal also and a nice 25 to 30 lbs gain wouldnt be that bad at all. Any opinions about the ostarine usage in the beginning or at pct phase of the cycle? Or anything else you can add on about my questions above would be greatly appreciated. Thx for ur comment.

[Thomasxavier]

Yep, I hear u, that s my goal also and a nice 25 to 30 lbs gain wouldnt be that bad at all. Any opinions about the ostarine usage in the beginning or at pct phase of the cycle? Or anything else you can add on about my questions above would be greatly appreciated. Thx for ur comment.

All the research I've done EXPLICITLY states that you will NOT gain anywhere near 30 lbs while on a test cycle if you use winstrol on it.

Also beware, I see a lot of people saying it massacres your joints and can mess up your heart too. The joints thing doesn't look temporary either..

[armanm75]

Does wherever you ordered it from accept returns?

And I just see too many people warning against using it at all on your first cycle. Hell, the more research I do on winstrol, I see a lot of negative on that too... lot of people say the damage to your body is more severe than the results you get... but who do/can we really trust?

But there was a guy who got great results using a tren only cycle as his FIRST cycle... people were praising him up and down... but he used something called diphenhydramine to counter the side effects, said it was effective.

and for reference, this was his diet.

Meal 1: Pre-workout - 1 cup 2% milk, 1/2 cup quick oats heated in microwave, added 1 scoop syntha 6 chocolate malt protein and splenda.. I call it bodybuilder soup, ****s delicious with a little splenda
Meal 2: Immediate Post-workout - 50g whey, 75g dextrose shake
Meal 3: 1 hr post workout - 5 oz tuna with salsa
Meal 4: 1 cup FF cottage cheese with salsa
Meal 5: 1/2 scoop whey, 1/2 scoop casein shake with ice, water and splenda in blender
Meal 6: 4 oz non-red meat (chicken breast or pork tenderloin usually) with carrots and broccoli
Meal 7: Bed - 1 scoop casein, 1 cup skim milk, 1 tsp peanut butter shake with ice and splenda in blender

Dude cut like 10% of his bodyfat. Ridiculous

Looks like a nice cutting diet, I was thinking of something similar around 1500 to 1800 calories while cutting but in the begining it ll be time to eat 3500 to 4000 all clean 40 carb 40 protein 20 fat. I ll be careful to put 30 g of protein every 1.5 hours either shake bar or meat form. Gotta finish this keto diet first tho before I start the cycle and it sucs since I get too depressed on this diet.

[armanm75]

All the research I've done EXPLICITLY states that you will NOT gain anywhere near 30 lbs while on a test cycle if you use winstrol on it.

Also beware, I see a lot of people saying it massacres your joints and can mess up your heart too. The joints thing doesn't look temporary either..

I probably will gain at least in the cycle but again not nececarily ll keep it all at the end of my pct

[Thomasxavier]

Dang man make sure you take those before and after pics... I will be here to see them once your cycle is over

[pyrobatt]

All the research I've done EXPLICITLY states that you will NOT gain anywhere near 30 lbs while on a test cycle if you use winstrol on it.

Also beware, I see a lot of people saying it massacres your joints and can mess up your heart too. The joints thing doesn't look temporary either..

Diet will dictate if he gains 30 lbs or not. In a cut ...probably not but he could bulk and gain 40 lbs(ballpark) if he used test plus gh plus igf1 plus other peptides.

[Thomasxavier]

Diet will dictate if he gains 30 lbs or not. In a cut ...probably not but he could bulk and gain 40 lbs(ballpark) if he used test plus gh plus igf1 plus other peptides.

Using that much starts to sound dangerous

[pyrobatt]

Using that much starts to sound dangerous

The effects of just one cycle are pretty bad. Generally peptides have less side effects than most steroids.

[Thomasxavier]

The effects of just one cycle are pretty bad. Generally peptides have less side effects than most steroids.

Whats your BF%? What do you cycle exactly

[armanm75]

Diet will dictate if he gains 30 lbs or not. In a cut ...probably not but he could bulk and gain 40 lbs(ballpark) if he used test plus gh plus igf1 plus other peptides.

Welcome pyro and thx for your input, I am planning on doing bulk fot the first 12 weeks than cut with winny. I do have cjc(no dac, ghrp 2, 2 month supply of hgh, osta and gw501516 in hand that ll go to cutting cycle, as u said I believe peptides have really few side effects like messing ur prolactin I believe if I dont remember wrong from what I read. Im not putting hgh and very new and unknown gw to few sides category tho. I believe I can pull 30+ in the first 12 week bulk then dont mind loosing 10 if im gonna be looking like the dude in ur profile pic and if thats u im going to be doin what u did

[pyrobatt]

Whats your BF%? What do you cycle exactly

I'm currently running igf1 cjc mod and dac. As for the phs I'm running androhard stano and trenazone. I'm jumping on test after this. It should be noted I'm going to compete. My picture in my AV is me at 8 %. I'm closer to 11 now

[pyrobatt]

Welcome pyro and thx for your input, I am planning on doing bulk fot the first 12 weeks than cut with winny. I do have cjc(no dac, ghrp 2, 2 month supply of hgh, osta and gw501516 in hand that ll go to cutting cycle, as u said I believe peptides have really few side effects like messing ur prolactin I believe if I dont remember wrong from what I read. Im not putting hgh and very new and unknown gw to few sides category tho. I believe I can pull 30+ in the first 12 week bulk then dont mind loosing 10 if im gonna be looking like the dude in ur profile pic and if thats u im going to be doin what u did

I only did 2 cycles when that photo was taken. In the middle of my pstanz and hdrol cycle. I had been lifting 5 years prior to my first cycle.

[armanm75]

I only did 2 cycles when that photo was taken. In the middle of my pstanz and hdrol cycle. I had been lifting 5 years prior to my first cycle.

Sounds like u did mostly ph and peptide cycles, any AAS experiance? It sucks that there is no more andro series by the way.