Starting first cycle for the first time and have questions

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by armanm75

    I do agree and I may gain more also if I were to do trenazone instead of test e + winny cycle since the conversion ll be to tren, but the side effects kinda scare me, as I mentioned before only did andro mass that converts to test e. I know oral steroids messed with or liver, dunno how it d turn out with ph usage tho so I dont wanna make an ignorant comment. I d like to know ur opinion about me starting my cycle with stacking osta and test e together. I dont have and scared off orals so was planning to dose up the osta that im on before test e kicks in but read about some comments like they compete for tge same receptors. U know anything about that or any alternative solution u might recommend?
    Save ostraine for another cycle. The reason people choose the 4 weekers to throw in with the test e is to start making gains while the test is kicking in. Here's what I would do

    Test e or cyp 500mg/week 2 injections a week.
    Winstrol will be your kick start at 5 to 6 weeks. You may experience joint pain but shouldn't be unbearable.
    Anavar and primo tabs can also be added.
    You can also add igf1 and gh for some more "keepable" muscle fibers.steroids don't grow muscle fibers they just enlarge the muscle. You can grow fibers on cycle but igf1 and gh will help in a major way for keepable gains.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt

    Save ostraine for another cycle. The reason people choose the 4 weekers to throw in with the test e is to start making gains while the test is kicking in. Here's what I would do

    Test e or cyp 500mg/week 2 injections a week.
    Winstrol will be your kick start at 5 to 6 weeks. You may experience joint pain but shouldn't be unbearable.
    Anavar and primo tabs can also be added.
    You can also add igf1 and gh for some more "keepable" muscle fibers.steroids don't grow muscle fibers they just enlarge the muscle. You can grow fibers on cycle but igf1 and gh will help in a major way for keepable gains.
    I am thinking about adding hgh to the cycle at weeks 5 to 12, but was considering winny at the end of the cycle after im done with test e at week 13. The reason I dont have a 4 weeker is why I was considering keeping on doing osta thay I'm currently on right now so at least I ll have the anabolic effect of that untill test e kicks in. well you certainly know way better than I ve researched so I shall drop the osta for pct. Since I wanna bilk for the first 12 weeks tho, dont u think I should leave winny for the end of my cycle, I was thinking of doing it just for 1 month at the very end. I can get another vial tho so it d last until week 12 if u really think I should start it on week 6
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by armanm75 View Post
    I am thinking about adding hgh to the cycle at weeks 5 to 12, but was considering winny at the end of the cycle after im done with test e at week 13. The reason I dont have a 4 weeker is why I was considering keeping on doing osta thay I'm currently on right now so at least I ll have the anabolic effect of that untill test e kicks in. well you certainly know way better than I ve researched so I shall drop the osta for pct. Since I wanna bilk for the first 12 weeks tho, dont u think I should leave winny for the end of my cycle, I was thinking of doing it just for 1 month at the very end. I can get another vial tho so it d last until week 12 if u really think I should start it on week 6
    Use the winny at the end.You should have gotten the liver friendly version(injectable) and you could have ran it for 7 weeks.HGH needs to be used for atleast 3 months to see amazing results.Helps with fatloss aswell.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt

    Use the winny at the end.You should have gotten the liver friendly version(injectable) and you could have ran it for 7 weeks.HGH needs to be used for atleast 3 months to see amazing results.Helps with fatloss aswell.
    Yes, I do have the injectable version of winny and ill get another one and start on week 7. Again ill listen your advice and get some more hgh and bump it to 4 months planning to start it at week 2 now. I d like to thank you for all your valuable information and educating a noob like me to reach my bodybuilding goals. Now that you mentioned about winny's being harsh on joints, I am reconsidering my choice of AI also. I was planning on doin adex thru the cycle and aromasin at my pct. I guess adex and winny combo ll f#$ck my joints even worse to a point that I cant maintain with fish oils and glucosamine ha?

  5. By the way by any chance anyone is fallowing the tread, ill post some pics, whole protocole of every individual gear and suplement that ill be using soon. Its just working alot these days and dont have much time. In a week I hope.
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  6. In for a log.
    You are your own maker. Train dirty.

  7. pyro, what are the sides you've experienced using igf1

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier
    pyro, what are the sides you've experienced using igf1
    Idk if its igf1 or the cjc but my muscles contort in a weird way. My lats locked up and such yesterday and i think if I take them post workout or too soon pwo I get cramps.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Idk if its igf1 or the cjc but my muscles contort in a weird way. My lats locked up and such yesterday and i think if I take them post workout or too soon pwo I get cramps.
    Why isn't something like test c enough for your goals? It is infinitely safer than the majority of these things, and produces great results... why deviate?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier

    Why isn't something like test c enough for your goals? It is infinitely safer than the majority of these things, and produces great results... why deviate?
    Steroids don't produce many new muscle fibers.even the best steroids don't produce the effects of gh and igf1. Steroids are much more risky than peptides if you line them up side by side. Pick your poison. They will both **** you with long term use
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Steroids don't produce many new muscle fibers.even the best steroids don't produce the effects of gh and igf1. Steroids are much more risky than peptides if you line them up side by side. Pick your poison. They will both **** you with long term use
    By long term use do you mean doing many cycles over years, or staying on cycles longer than you're supposed to?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt

    Idk if its igf1 or the cjc but my muscles contort in a weird way. My lats locked up and such yesterday and i think if I take them post workout or too soon pwo I get cramps.
    Cjc gives me itchy legs sometimes and crazy dreams. I stack it with ghrp 2. Still on it 2 to 3 times a day 100 cjc 200mcgs ghrp. Weekends off. Shall I keep it thru my cycle u think or just do hgh?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier

    Why isn't something like test c enough for your goals? It is infinitely safer than the majority of these things, and produces great results... why deviate?
    I am not as knowledgable as pyro but cjc and ghrp combo is almost no sides accept the high prolactin levels I believe. Dont quote tho, its been years since I read datbtru's posts about cjc+ghrp combo. Igf and hgh so far that I know duplicates cells, this might be muscle which we want but can be cancerius tumors also. Thats why hgh and igf are different than aas. While aas grows muscle, hgh adds muscle fiber

  14. Any recomendations about acne problem thru cycle?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Thomasxavier

    By long term use do you mean doing many cycles over years, or staying on cycles longer than you're supposed to?
    Staying on cycle for years
    . Or even doing them once if you have high BP, cholesterol problems, or heart problems.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by armanm75
    Any recomendations about acne problem thru cycle?
    Accutane or wash 2 to 3 x a day
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by armanm75
    Any recomendations about acne problem thru cycle?
    Doxycycline
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  18. So finally it is that time for me to start my first cycle and came up with something like this. I d love you guys ( if there is anyone still left on the tread ) to comment on it pls.

    week 1-3 ostarine 15mg ed.
    week 1-12 Test E 250*2(mon-thurs)
    week 10-14 Winny 50mg ed
    week 3-14 Adex 0.25mg eod or e3d (depends on the need i see according to the sides)
    week 1-18 cjc1295(w/o DAC)+ghrp2 2 to 3 times 100cjc and 200ghrp in mcgs a day
    week 6-8 hgh 2iu's (5 days on 2 off) ( my friend gave my 2 vials to try so why not pu tem in the cycle)

    PCT
    week 15-18 12.5 mg aromasin eod
    week 15-18 nolva 40/30/20/20
    ZMA 3 pills a day
    DAA 3-4 grams a day
    Activate extreme test booster

    Also thru out the whole cycle: Fish oils, one a day and C vitamines, Glucosamine will be consumed.
    Ill put before photos just before my first incection probably ll be in two days.
    wish me luck and please tell me what you guys think about the cycle before I start.
    Thx for all the comments from now.

  19. Dang man make sure you take those before and after pics.

  20. Looks good man. Your going to love it. I'm in to follow.

  21. By the way, do I keep test e and winny in the fridge or room temp? heard winny hurts if its cold.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by armanm75 View Post
    By the way, do I keep test e and winny in the fridge or room temp? heard winny hurts if its cold.
    Either or.
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  23. Ok guys, everything is ready but the syringes havent arrived, then my first pin and first pic coming up. Cant wait to be 250 lbs.

  24. Hey how's the cycle going?? Following this for the long run.

  25. In for progress
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