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    advice on m1,4ad


    any advice, comments on this cycle

    planning on doing
    week 1-2:m1,4ad 90 mg ed/
    week 1-2:trans 4ad 400mg ed/
    week 1-2: vpx's 4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)

    week 3-4:1,4 ad 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4 hydroxy test 150 ed
    week 3-4: 4ad trans 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4hydoxy nandrolane deca 200mg ed(non methylated)

    week 5-6: m1t 10mg ed
    week 5-6: trans 4 ad 400 mg ed
    week 5-6:'4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)

    6 week pct with clomid , nolva, milkthistle, clen, and creatine hcl.

    letro,nolva, VPX's aromadex(6oxo and forma) on hand just in case
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    obviouslly this a bulker any advice on cycle, dosages, and placement of the m1,4ad first 2 weeks and mit last 5,6. also non methylated middle two weeks.

    my stats....5'8" 170 15 % body fat. i have gained fifty pounds naturally working out last ten years. 33 years old.

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    yes...you name it i got it. bought some stuff, given alot for free, also bought before any research last couple years, then bought to stock up before ban.....especially vpx stuff which after research seems very expensive, but like i said i have it already. even have a botlle of vpx mad250 that i was given when it first came out,but after research dont think ill use it. i also have 3 bottles of vpx 1 test cyp which is 50ml per cc at 20 cc per bottle. by the way your guide is great stuff. thanks for the advice in advance.
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    I don't have time to dissect this stack, but I will PM you my re-considered recommendation for pre-ban acquisition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strateg0s
    I don't have time to dissect this stack, but I will PM you my re-considered recommendation for pre-ban acquisition.
    may I ask the same thing to my PW ?
    Thanks in advance
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    Not to knock you or anything. but did you know that vpx has a super deal going on right now. buy 2 get 3 free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strateg0s
    I don't have time to dissect this stack, but I will PM you my re-considered recommendation for pre-ban acquisition.
    Yea I would love to know too thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by zed
    any advice, comments on this cycle

    planning on doing
    week 1-2:m1,4ad 90 mg ed/
    week 1-2:trans 4ad 400mg ed/
    week 1-2: vpx's 4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)

    week 3-4:1,4 ad 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4 hydroxy test 150 ed
    week 3-4: 4ad trans 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4hydoxy nandrolane deca 200mg ed(non methylated)

    week 5-6: m1t 10mg ed
    week 5-6: trans 4 ad 400 mg ed
    week 5-6:'4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)

    6 week pct with clomid , nolva, milkthistle, clen, and creatine hcl.
    - 1,4ad for 2 weeks is absolutely pointless. run it all 6 weeks if you want real results, or not at all.
    - M1T last 2 weeks is not recommended - check other threads. somebody suggested it once but very sound arguments were made against the idea, and it's pretty common sense not to.
    - M1,4ADD doses will probably have to be increased.

    if it's a true bulker then why clen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zed
    any advice, comments on this cycle

    planning on doing
    week 1-2:m1,4ad 90 mg ed/
    week 1-2:trans 4ad 400mg ed/
    week 1-2: vpx's 4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)

    week 3-4:1,4 ad 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4 hydroxy test 150 ed
    week 3-4: 4ad trans 400mg ed
    week 3-4: 4hydoxy nandrolane deca 200mg ed(non methylated)

    week 5-6: m1t 10mg ed
    week 5-6: trans 4 ad 400 mg ed
    week 5-6:'4hydroxy nandrolane deca 100 mg ed orally(non methylated)
    I see no reason to not run the M1,4ad for 4 weeks. I think you'll get better results that way. Also, I've read that 1,4ad takes around 2-3 weeks to kick in and that if you take it orally you need a gram a day. So you may want to rethink that part. I'd just drop the 1,4ad and go with M1,4 if I were you. I think you'll get much more bang for the buck in a bulker. That 4AD+M1,4 is a recipe for bloat so maybe trans 3AA or some other DHT derivitive would dry out your gains and reduce the chance of gyno a little bit. Good luck!
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    thanks for the advice....
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    My advice is to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid). Not that I'm calling you stupid.

    I'd run the m1,4ADD for 6 weeks (start at 120 and move up), drop the 4AD (unless you want your cycle to be wet, although the 4hydroxy test may help dry it up), drop the 1,4ad, and drop the M1T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    My advice is to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid). Not that I'm calling you stupid.

    I'd run the m1,4ADD for 6 weeks (start at 120 and move up), drop the 4AD (unless you want your cycle to be wet, although the 4hydroxy test may help dry it up), drop the 1,4ad, and drop the M1T.
    have fun holding on to those gains....M1,4ADD for 6 weeks?? has there been some evidence to show that's a good idea or makes sense? consider it dbol - 2 or 3 weeks to jumpstart...if you really want KISS - make it 1-test all 6 weeks (of course in addition to the 4-ad & M1,4ADD)

    sounds like you have the 1,4ad already bought....if that wasnt the case i'd drop it, but if you insist, you gotta run it 4+ weeks.

    bump on what robinkuwait said about replacing that M1T at the end to a DHT derivative....unless of course you have MPB in which case i reckon letro or dex at low doses would keep that bloat off if run 4 weeks (just make sure first week of PCT is STRONG in case of rebound)
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBRAKES
    have fun holding on to those gains....M1,4ADD for 6 weeks?? has there been some evidence to show that's a good idea or makes sense? consider it dbol - 2 or 3 weeks to jumpstart...if you really want KISS - make it 1-test all 6 weeks (of course in addition to the 4-ad & M1,4ADD)
    Just from personal experience, and cycle logs from other members. It took about 7-10 days before M1,4ADD began to kick in for me. I do not find it to be a good "jump starter" for cycles, like Dbol. I agree 1-test 4-AD would be much simpler, but for some, it is not an option due to allergic reactions. Personally, I would not run M1,4ADD with it due to how wet it can be. At least ot without some letro and small dose of Nolva. But, I am prone to gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    Just from personal experience, and cycle logs from other members. It took about 7-10 days before M1,4ADD began to kick in for me. I do not find it to be a good "jump starter" for cycles, like Dbol. I agree 1-test 4-AD would be much simpler, but for some, it is not an option due to allergic reactions. Personally, I would not run M1,4ADD with it due to how wet it can be. At least ot without some letro and small dose of Nolva. But, I am prone to gyno.
    I think the "jumpstarting" is very dosage dependent. I felt it completely by day 4 at 150mg ED. It is wet as a mofo tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    Just from personal experience, and cycle logs from other members. It took about 7-10 days before M1,4ADD began to kick in for me. I do not find it to be a good "jump starter" for cycles, like Dbol. I agree 1-test 4-AD would be much simpler, but for some, it is not an option due to allergic reactions. Personally, I would not run M1,4ADD with it due to how wet it can be. At least ot without some letro and small dose of Nolva. But, I am prone to gyno.
    hmm, considering it converts directly to dbol at a respectable rate - that is a surprising reaction. it is thought of as the premier legal jumpstarter in most opinions...

    i absolutely advise running letro or dex with M1,4ADD, and of course having nolva always on hand.

    how do you know you're prone to gyno? get itchy nips before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBRAKES
    how do you know you're prone to gyno? get itchy nips before?
    Itchy and puffiness. A few high doses of Nolva then tapered down did the trick.

    In all honesty, I may have not dosed my M1,4ADD high enough. I started at 90mg's then went to 120mg's, and finished at 150mg's.
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    thanks for all the feed back. based on some new info i have revamped the cycle which i will post once worked it. but so far im gonna lose the 1,4ad and hydroxy. due to fear of mpb i wont use a dht type or 1test if possible. A "new super" substance will be the main substance of the stack with the m1,4ad included with 4ad and ill kick start with the 40h deca by vpx. ill post specific once i have all the goods and keep a log. plus letro , nolva, aromadex(vpx 6oxo/formastane combo) on hand.
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    I am thinking of running 30 mg Superdrol with 120 mg m1,4 add.Now that we know exactly what this product is would these two together work well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss
    I am thinking of running 30 mg Superdrol with 120 mg m1,4 add.Now that we know exactly what this product is would these two together work well?
    No need to stack SD with another methyl.
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    Do you really think this should be stacked with anything at all?


    The only reason I was considering another methyl was bioavailability.
    A lot of folks seem to be pretty high on 4ad and 1 test with this but it doesn't sound as if making your own transdermal is always the easiest thing to do.
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    Superdrol can be stacked with a lot of things, but I wouldn't see the need to compound liver stress with another methyl.

    To my knowledge, no one has stacked it with 1T/4AD yet b/c only 6 people have even tried it (including myself).

    In addition, I personally don't think M1,4 should be stacked with other methyls, b/c you need 120-200mgs daily.
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    Makes sense. Thanks bro.
  

  
 

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