is this PH cycle TOO MUCH?
- 11-30-2004, 11:25 PM
is this PH cycle TOO MUCH?
This is a very rough guideline, and the only thing that is really set in stone are the substances in use, the doses at which i plan to run are still up in the air, and i would like to get as much input as possible. I'm looking for a KILLER stack here, i wanna see some real results. I did a 9 week cycle of just 1-test at a moderate to high dose with a very clean diet and workout intensity and seen some of the best results and appearance alterance that i've ever experienced. Very good. For this one i'm looking at:
1-test, 400mg ed
M4OHN, 48mg ed
M5AA, 100mg preworkout
I plan to run this for 8 weeks.
What does everybody think of those doses, and any other general input. Also the M4OHN should counteract some of the lethargy and libido drop from the 1-test, correct?
****, i forgot to add that this is a cutting cycle, and therefore i will be running clen/t3 off and on throughout the cycle
Last edited by MakaveliThaDon; 11-30-2004 at 11:40 PM.
- 12-01-2004, 01:59 AM
those dosages look good. what kind of cycle are you going for? if you want a bulker i'd like to see some 4ad in there. however if you want a body re-comp cycle than what you have laid out looks really good. the way it's set up now its a really "dry" cycle that should show quick changes. if i were you i'd add in an aromatizing compound such as 4ad or m1,4ad.
- 12-01-2004, 02:00 AM
oh, i see your running a cutter. what you have laid out looks good. it should show some nice results.
12-01-2004, 03:11 AM
12-01-2004, 10:18 AM
I think this stack looks good....the MOHN will not counteract the lethargy or libido drop though, you would need 4ad...but this might not be wht youre looking for in a cutter....what kid of 1T are you going with? The combo of these compunds and the clen should be killer for cutting up...
12-01-2004, 10:31 AM
That's a great cutter, but the M4OHN may not help with lethargy when taking that much 1-test. It really doesn't help libido loss. I love the 1-test/M4OHN stack. If you can handle a little tiredness, you'll have a great cycle.
12-01-2004, 10:51 AM
12-01-2004, 11:41 AM
thanks for the replies guys. I thought everything looked pretty good to me myself, but then i thought i was gonna get a bunch of you have done no research you would die with those doses posts or something. Yah, this is going to be a cutter, so i really wasn't liking the idea of adding some 4ad into it. The last time i ran 1-test i didn't have a girlfriend tho, so i didn't have to worry about any libido loss, but thats not the case now. So now i'm kinda worried. Last PH cycle i did i took tribestan throughout cycle, and it seemed to keep it pretty much normal. Any thoughts on that?
12-01-2004, 11:53 AM
4AD works wonders for libidio just keep doses reasonable or go get some letro and run it at .1mg/day.Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon
12-01-2004, 11:56 AM
12-01-2004, 11:57 AM
what would you say is a reasonable dose. Like just enough to keep the libido up a little bit, but not enough to bloat me up?
12-01-2004, 11:58 AM
hehehe 200mg shot of 4AD(base) + cialis + taurine will make you a legend.....damn, dorm life was good.Originally Posted by chasec
12-01-2004, 12:29 PM
I used 400mg 1-test & 24mg M4OHN, also used M5AA pre-workout. I would increase the M4ohn dosage next time though.Originally Posted by Odessa14
12-01-2004, 12:46 PM
is 200mg of 4AD a good amount, to just keep libido up a little bit, but not bloat me up. That's half of what the 1-test dose would be, or do i need more or less?
12-01-2004, 01:11 PM
200mg should be enough to keep up the libido and fight the lethargy (for the most part) and it shouldn't really bloat you, especially since 1-test tends to dry people out
12-01-2004, 01:16 PM
12-01-2004, 01:34 PM
I also found 80mg of 4ad transdermal together with moderate amounts of 1-test to be sufficient to maintain libido although I am quite sure it was depressed a little from normal.
Edit - wrong amount of 4ad.
12-01-2004, 03:28 PM
The dose is plenty, you could probably get by with even 100mg just to control lethargy & libido.Originally Posted by glenihan
I bloat like a mother f'er on 200mg 4ad regardless of 1-test, and probably would at any lower dose. I usually run letro with it for that. You may be different.
12-01-2004, 05:52 PM
especially 200mg 4ad base. that would give 100% bioavailability with no ester weight. compare that to the estimated 15% absorption of trans and your talking a possible ~1340 mg dermal dose. that'd be quite enough to bloat you up.
we are talking about pinning the base, right?
12-01-2004, 07:32 PM
12-01-2004, 10:34 PM
12-01-2004, 10:39 PM
thanks for all your input bro, so you think 200mg of 4AD transdermal is about good enough to keep up the libido and keep down the lethargy, not too much, in other words not too much 4ad, but not too little.Originally Posted by chasec
12-02-2004, 12:51 PM
try to 200 mg if its too high youve got 8 weeks to lower the dose. 4oht would be better for a cutter. doses look good keep us posted.
12-02-2004, 01:24 PM
200mg 4ad is a good choice. if you notice a little water retention don't worry. the second you come off you'll piss it out. but if you would like, lower the dose down to 150 for a while. you shouldn't have any problems though
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