Suicide Inhibiter vs Nolva
- 02-07-2013, 02:22 PM
- 02-07-2013, 07:18 PM
Exactly ya... you lowered through your sweet spot with estrogen. Ok, this will be hard to do, and take serious focus, but if you can do it, you will be OK IMHO. Let estrogen drift up and check how you feel as it goes up through the rebound of the letro(2 day half life, so by 4th day you should feel peak libido for your current state say 70%) -- your peak will feel less than 100% but better than now, say 70% for example. Ok, now you suicide inhibit down on day 5 or 6 likely (for maybe only a day or two or take the suicide inhibitor every other day for 1-3 days) until you feel about 70% or wherever you felt peak on the way up on the rebound... and you stop the suicide AI right there and wait, wait, wait, a week while your body fine tunes and you should improve while doing nothing more. Continue the caber a max of 4 weeks and this should raise your DHT which will increase libido and the range of your sweet spot with the estrogen -- I'll post an article to support DHT increase from reduced Prolactin because some "young bro science" will dispute it. You want to get your estrogen just right and your DHT just right and right now, likely both are off or moving toward right in light of the caber. (Me... I'm 43... with advanced degrees... lots of cycles and long cycles too... not a doctor, but I take this ****e seriously and I'm giving you my best bro so... at least you know).
The effect of prolactin on androgen response to human chorionic gonadotropin in normal men.
Lackritz RM, Bartke A.
Testicular androgen responses to human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) were compared in normal males before and after suppression of prolactin (PRL) secretion with bromocriptine. Baseline follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, and PRL levels were suppressed by bromocriptine, 2.5 mg daily (P < 0.05). Serum testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels were reliably increased by one intramuscular injection of hCG (P < 0.05). Although testosterone responses to hCG were not significantly different in normal PRL and suppressed PRL cycles (P > 0.05), the DHT response was significantly increased in the suppressed cycle (P < 0.05), suggesting a physiologic 5 alpha-reductase blockage by PRL in men.
- 02-08-2013, 12:49 AM
02-10-2013, 10:46 PM
How do you feel? Do you have your bloods back?
02-11-2013, 02:25 AM
Meanwhile I took your advice and didnt take anymore Letro since Thursday and I am feeling better today. I think you wrote I can start the suicide inhibitor Tuesday?
02-11-2013, 07:20 PM
Ya, maybe waiting for the bloods is a waste of time and money frankly if you feel some libido coming back directly confirming estrogen rebound. Ok, so what I would do is stay focused on how you feel and mark when your libido starts drops off again indicating you are into the rebound with estrogen going to high, sounds like that is tomorrow as anticipated -- at anytime thereabouts you can take some suicide inhibitor (I presume exemenastane which though start to has effect within 2 hours, has peak estrogen reduction about 2-3 days later and so then just take one dose and wait a few days and go by feel, you should get libido that night and the next day... if you don't feel any improvement in libido on the first dose within 12 hours to a day, then the next day later take another dose, then wait again and if you feel improvement then just wait 2-3 days). Stay on Caber, and I would add nolvadex too now is a good idea to prevent any estrogen gyno since you are going to be toying on the upper side of estrogen levels for a few days and also to support your HPTA which would be good since you could benefit from further increased Test levels probably, based on your prior bloods, IMO. Ya, I would add Nolva today if you have it, can only help and not hurt.
02-12-2013, 11:14 PM
02-13-2013, 09:06 AM
Just got my results from Monday. My estrogen was 12. Now what? I have been taking Fomeron (a suicide inhibitor) for the past two days.
02-13-2013, 06:34 PM
12 on a scale of ? what's the range on your test type? Is that high or low? Was it estrodiol or total estrogen? What else was tested? Post your full bloods with ranges and let's dissect it -- or you can email it to me if what to keep it confidential
02-13-2013, 10:02 PM
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