Suicide Inhibiter vs Nolva
- 11-16-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm not having issues at this moment as I've been off for almost 8 weeks now. When I was 20 I could cum and 2-3 minutes later get another erection and rock n roll. I am now 43, after I cum now, I have to wait 15-20 minutes. So if I can lower Prolactin to help me out on this why not? And again I ask, is 14 a good number?
- 11-16-2012, 04:22 PM
11-16-2012, 04:24 PM
I guess I am of the school of thought "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I try and run the least amount of **** possible.
Again, this is just my opinion. You need to figure out what makes the most sense to you, and apply it.
11-16-2012, 04:32 PM
11-16-2012, 04:35 PM
11-16-2012, 04:48 PM
As for running 2g of test a week and a gram of tren, in that case more is not better. But if I'm wrong, please correct me.
11-16-2012, 04:57 PM
Let me ask this. If this is something you need to run indefinitely to get, and keep this desired effect, is it worth the potential cardiac risks to be able to "recover" a few min quicker? If you take it, and still don't recover faster, then what?
But to reiterate, if YOU feel it is worth it, then do it. I am just saying for ME, I like to run the least amount of **** as I can.
11-16-2012, 05:03 PM
11-16-2012, 05:08 PM
11-16-2012, 05:08 PM
What makes you think 4 weeks will do the trick? Your prolactin might come right back up to where it is now, upon stopping. It could be something you always need to run to mange it.
This could be YOUR normal range. That is my point. You are treating a problem that doesn't seem to exist.
Do you have a history of prolactin test results?
I was just giving you my opinion on the subject. Caber on my friend!
11-16-2012, 08:03 PM
4 weeks is the amount prescribed. I don't know that it will do the trick I can only rely on people who are much smarter than me like Dan Duchane and others who have used it. I'm sure it doesnt work the same for everyone. I have heard of a person who took it and it had a negligable affect. But it's worth a try.
I'm under no illusions that once I stop taking it my prolactin levels will not go back up; but you can say the same thing about testosterone and aas.
As for a problem that doesnt exist, it may not now; but when you're on Deca I can tell you from experience it does exist. After 3 weeks of test and deca my levels of prolactin were 17.
Yes, I do have a person history of prolactin test results. 3 weeks into my test and deca cycle my levels went to 17.
I appreciate your opinion very much and please don't stop because I may very well be all wet, I'm still learning and have no problem being challenged as long as it's done respectfully.
11-16-2012, 08:15 PM
11-16-2012, 08:31 PM
11-16-2012, 11:56 PM
11-19-2012, 01:55 PM
11-19-2012, 04:46 PM
Total Test: 630
Bad Choesterol: 213
The blood work for cholseteral was done without fasting.
11-27-2012, 11:15 AM
02-07-2013, 04:22 AM
Yup... I'd reduce my prolactin to single digits - caber or prami. I'd bring the estrogen down with Anastrazole and/or Aromasin. Take those down.
02-07-2013, 10:10 AM
02-07-2013, 03:14 PM
02-07-2013, 03:22 PM
02-07-2013, 08:18 PM
Exactly ya... you lowered through your sweet spot with estrogen. Ok, this will be hard to do, and take serious focus, but if you can do it, you will be OK IMHO. Let estrogen drift up and check how you feel as it goes up through the rebound of the letro(2 day half life, so by 4th day you should feel peak libido for your current state say 70%) -- your peak will feel less than 100% but better than now, say 70% for example. Ok, now you suicide inhibit down on day 5 or 6 likely (for maybe only a day or two or take the suicide inhibitor every other day for 1-3 days) until you feel about 70% or wherever you felt peak on the way up on the rebound... and you stop the suicide AI right there and wait, wait, wait, a week while your body fine tunes and you should improve while doing nothing more. Continue the caber a max of 4 weeks and this should raise your DHT which will increase libido and the range of your sweet spot with the estrogen -- I'll post an article to support DHT increase from reduced Prolactin because some "young bro science" will dispute it. You want to get your estrogen just right and your DHT just right and right now, likely both are off or moving toward right in light of the caber. (Me... I'm 43... with advanced degrees... lots of cycles and long cycles too... not a doctor, but I take this ****e seriously and I'm giving you my best bro so... at least you know).
The effect of prolactin on androgen response to human chorionic gonadotropin in normal men.
Lackritz RM, Bartke A.
Testicular androgen responses to human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) were compared in normal males before and after suppression of prolactin (PRL) secretion with bromocriptine. Baseline follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, and PRL levels were suppressed by bromocriptine, 2.5 mg daily (P < 0.05). Serum testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels were reliably increased by one intramuscular injection of hCG (P < 0.05). Although testosterone responses to hCG were not significantly different in normal PRL and suppressed PRL cycles (P > 0.05), the DHT response was significantly increased in the suppressed cycle (P < 0.05), suggesting a physiologic 5 alpha-reductase blockage by PRL in men.
02-08-2013, 01:49 AM
02-10-2013, 11:46 PM
02-11-2013, 03:25 AM
Meanwhile I took your advice and didnt take anymore Letro since Thursday and I am feeling better today. I think you wrote I can start the suicide inhibitor Tuesday?
02-11-2013, 08:20 PM
Ya, maybe waiting for the bloods is a waste of time and money frankly if you feel some libido coming back directly confirming estrogen rebound. Ok, so what I would do is stay focused on how you feel and mark when your libido starts drops off again indicating you are into the rebound with estrogen going to high, sounds like that is tomorrow as anticipated -- at anytime thereabouts you can take some suicide inhibitor (I presume exemenastane which though start to has effect within 2 hours, has peak estrogen reduction about 2-3 days later and so then just take one dose and wait a few days and go by feel, you should get libido that night and the next day... if you don't feel any improvement in libido on the first dose within 12 hours to a day, then the next day later take another dose, then wait again and if you feel improvement then just wait 2-3 days). Stay on Caber, and I would add nolvadex too now is a good idea to prevent any estrogen gyno since you are going to be toying on the upper side of estrogen levels for a few days and also to support your HPTA which would be good since you could benefit from further increased Test levels probably, based on your prior bloods, IMO. Ya, I would add Nolva today if you have it, can only help and not hurt.
02-13-2013, 12:14 AM
02-13-2013, 10:06 AM
Just got my results from Monday. My estrogen was 12. Now what? I have been taking Fomeron (a suicide inhibitor) for the past two days.
02-13-2013, 07:34 PM
12 on a scale of ? what's the range on your test type? Is that high or low? Was it estrodiol or total estrogen? What else was tested? Post your full bloods with ranges and let's dissect it -- or you can email it to me if what to keep it confidential
02-13-2013, 11:02 PM
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