Suicide Inhibiter vs Nolva
- 11-16-2012, 10:12 AM
- 11-16-2012, 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by Warwarrior
- 11-16-2012, 10:23 AM
11-16-2012, 10:46 AM
**** we can take it a step further and say if you are using UG aas than the concentration should be looked at as an arbitrary number. You don't know if that 300mg/ml is 150 or 350(for example). It's only a reflection of what's in that specific batch/bottle.Originally Posted by Rodja
You think you are taking 600mg a week. Maybe you are taking 400,maybe 700.
I think this is where experience comes in.
11-16-2012, 10:52 AM
11-16-2012, 10:55 AM
11-16-2012, 10:56 AM
If? What I say is certainly true. You'd have to understand the brewing process and the general lack of attention to detail with ug "labs" to fully understand. Not to mention the purity of the raw materials which no one has any clue of because there is no testing done.Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn
I have seen plenty of lab tests on ug gear over the years and it is rarely dead on. I mean even pharmacy grade gear has a certain level of variation, it's just much smaller.
11-16-2012, 10:58 AM
11-16-2012, 10:59 AM
11-16-2012, 11:08 AM
It is, on a small scale fairly easy to get "close" pending your raws have a high level of purity. But becomes increasingly less accurate on the large scale especially when most of these guys are always rushing.Originally Posted by Rodja
As for the coa I'd never trust a coa from china let alone on a black market product. Lol
11-16-2012, 11:17 AM
Frank, if that is your experience then your labs you use are ****. I know this stuff happens, but with a good source and a good supplier the deviation from batch to batch should be extremely small. My guy that I use as well as my close friends is always spot on. Our labs come out nearly identical every time with respect to the dose we are using. I know we can't test all the compounds, but if the test is consistent, it is likely his other stuff is too. I have had zero complaints since I started using him. However, I have dealt with quite a few labs that have been very spotty so just keep looking and you'll find a good one.
Joe, an attitude like you have right now will get you far in this game. This kind of stuff gets really frustrating to guys like Rodja and I (no offense), but if you can sit there and take it like a champ (and you are doing just that) you will learn a lot. We won't spoon feed you everything, but if you do your research and you come back with questions that have showed you're doing your homework, I will have no problem answering questions and I'm sure Rodja feels the same.
11-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Lol I do just fineOriginally Posted by jt339
If you and a friend are using the same gear no **** your "labs" should come out close.
The fact is that doesn't tell you the concentration. The fact is you have no clue to that.
Secondly most people are using mass produced garbage. Not small private labs
Again back before ORD when people could test gear you'd see the large variations in batches. This hasn't changed.
And I'm not saying it's all underdossd. Sometimes it's overdosed. My point is we have no clue.
The point was if you're splitting hairs on ester weights you may as well understand that 250mg might be 275, 215,etc . could be anything.
11-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Won't deny that. I can think of a large amount of big labs that are ****, but still make money.Secondly most people are using mass produced garbage. Not small private labs
I can't disprove this as I haven't tested anything other than test, but my current guy has produced the best of every kind of gear I have ever tried.Again back before ORD when people could test gear you'd see the large variations in batches. This hasn't changed.
I have never seen over dosed gear, personally. You should have a clue on test as you can still test this.And I'm not saying it's all underdossd. Sometimes it's overdosed. My point is we have no clue.
If it is produced properly, about 75% of test enth is actual test and 84% of prop is actual test. I can't speculate on the others as I have not looked into them.The point was if you're splitting hairs on ester weights you may as well understand that 250mg might be 275, 215,etc . could be anything.
Gotta go study. Will be back to discuss later.
11-16-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm not talking about blood test. I'm talking about the ability to test the finished product for exact concentration. Before ORD we had the ability to have gear tested.Originally Posted by jt339
Blood tests are good for consistency and rough approximations but not going to give you specifics.
There are some very good, consistent small labs. But even with them you'll see variations. It's not exact. If they're good it might be off an amount that is insignificant.
To reiterate.... we don't know. And that was the point.
I have seen pharmaceutical gear off 10-20mg.
If you've ever used icn's each amp is over filled to 1.2-1.3ml. So either the concentration is off or the total amount of gear is off.
11-16-2012, 11:47 AM
Thank you jt, i just started with this two cycles ago. Before that i tried PH and had a horrible experience. I dont know how old you guys are but i am 43 and before 3 years ago i body builded for years and never used anything. I only turned to test and aas now because as you know as you get older your test levels are less and you cant build the way you did when you were younger. By the same token, at natural levels of only 500 test which is mormal at my age, any shut down can cause serious libido problems and at my age i need all the help with libido i can get.
I am not in the medical field so all this is Greek to me. I am an accountant and im good with numbers and stats and taxes but this area i have alot to learn so bare with my ignorance.
On another note, being that we are now accepting gay marriage, marajuana im still baffled by our societys aversion for test and aas. Why not let us take it? Body builders should for a PAC.
11-16-2012, 12:36 PM
11-16-2012, 12:42 PM
Steroids only became illegal after athletes were using it to get an advantage in sports. If I recall correctly, that legislation was passed very quickly and no new research had come out about the "dangers" of use. So basically, they were made illegal not because of their effects on the body (well known for 30-40 years), but because it gave athletes an advantage. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is pretty close to accurate if it isn't completely.
Prolactin is a little higher than what I would want. I'd definitely shoot for single digits, low single digits would be even better.
11-16-2012, 02:35 PM
Isnt the point of sports to be the best? Tiger Woods had eye surgery to make his eye sight better than 20/20, should they ban that? Besides, if the sports orgs want to ban it for the sports, thats their business, 85% of people who use are not pro athletes.
I didnt check for estrogen because i didnt know that low estrogen was bad. But i had another blood test and they will now test for estrogen and cholseterol.
For the prolactin reading of 14, i have Caber on hand to use.
11-16-2012, 03:45 PM
I dont understand why the hell should people eat nolva with 19nors just for the reason "its fine". Control your estros and keep Caber in hand when doing 19nors
11-16-2012, 03:56 PM
11-16-2012, 04:15 PM
Joe, Do yourself a favor, buy Luwellan's book and read, it will make things much clearer for you.
11-16-2012, 04:29 PM
11-16-2012, 04:29 PM
11-16-2012, 04:32 PM
11-16-2012, 04:33 PM
I would rather run 10mg of Nolva and a very low dose AI to manage estrogen than introduce a dopamine agonist such as caber.
I can tell you I am speaking from experience, while you are just parroting misinformation. I have used this protocol with numerous people, with success. Believe what you want.
You can run caber if you like, I am not trying to stop you..lol
11-16-2012, 04:50 PM
11-16-2012, 04:51 PM
11-16-2012, 04:57 PM
11-16-2012, 05:00 PM
11-16-2012, 05:03 PM
I really don't care if you are convinced or not. You are faceless moron on the internet. haha
Read this thread, maybe you will come away with some new knowledge. Pay attention to the posts by Seth Roberts. He wrote a book on Anabolic Pharmacology. Maybe he is qualified.
Progesterone and Prolactin
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