Steroids Vs. Pro Hormones

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw
    AAS injectables-(various testosterone esters, deca, eq, primo, masteron, Tren)most are not methylated, can be run for longer periods of time, long cycles allow for gains to be solidified due to body having time to become adjusted to new weight, for obvious reasons easy to run a test base, illegal without prescription, realistic sides(common not all inclusive) that many but NOT ALL experience:High BP, Lower HDL higher LDL, Raised Hematocrit, hair loss, suppresion of natural test levels, gyno, some users not all will require support products such as AI, SERMS, BP supps or meds, blood donating, HCG and so on.

    Oral AAS traditional-(Dbol, Anadrol, Anavar, Winstrol) methylated( all but andriol as far as I know) so liver toxic, depending on compound gains can be quick and quite large(there are exceptions), do not lend themselves to long cycles due to methylation(some will run for long cycles and say that the liver concerns are overblown, hey it's your body do what you want but most would prefer to keep the time short) Sides are the same as above with the added risk of liver enzyme elevation and loss of libido due to not being the same as test(this is mediated by many by running injectable test. Illegal with out script.

    Designer Oral AAS-(Dymethazine, M-sten, Halodrol, Epistane)These are the same as above but are currently not illegal to posses. They have less research and anecdotal evidence due to not being out as long as traditional oral AAS but by all accounts are just as potent. Legal at the moment(at least some still are.)

    Prohormones:These are steroid hormones in structure but are not active at the AR(for the most part some such as the old 4-androstenediol had some intrinsic activity at the AR) until they are converted via enzymes in the body to active hormones. Due to being conversion dependent they are not as powerful as the above but offer certain advantages. Products such as BULK-UP, 4-AD, Alphamass, Stano and so on can be ran for longer than the above orals. PH are available that now convert to test and provide the all important test base that is commonly used by those running test injections with there cycles. The longer cycles that can be ran help solidify the gains, the conversion to test helps mediate side effects to a DEGREE, and the lack of methylation makes the TRUE PH far easier on the body. Some sides are still possible such as high BP in those who are very sensitive but IN GENERAL many find the ride much smoother with a good PH than the other orals mentioned above. They are currently legal. So PH can be run in longer cycles just like injects, support test levels like test injects, little to no liver issues like most injects and like I said are legal. Obviously I rep for a PH company so I think they are a nice option especially when ran as a test base with the above compounds but I am not blind there are differences and drawbacks, I won't lie to you and say you can achieve with PH's what you could with injects, you simple cannot. But you can achieve SOME of what you would with injects.

    PH's being dependent on enzymes in the body and absorption will always have a ceiling as to how much converts and how much you can get into the system. With an inject the sky literally is the limit, to more you shoot the higher your levels will be plain and simple.

    So they all work, some are stronger, some are safer, some limit your time on if health is a concern, some are illegal some are not. It is the dose that makes the poison and only you can make the personal choice as to what you want to put in you. No matter what you do be safe!
    How do running cycles longer solidify gains?


  2. I will be the first to say there is zero scientific evidence to support my opinion, and it is simply that an opinion based on anecdotal evidence gathered and observed over the years. You will never see a study to support it for obvious reasons. IMO when you have been on longer the gains seem to stick around longer and you can change your body set point to a degree. For example:

    1. Guy uses SD gains 20 LBS in three weeks and runs PCT for 4 weeks.

    2. Guy 2 uses injects and gains 20lbs in 16 weeks, runs short esters towards the end so all compounds are cleared at start of PCT which is ran for 4 weeks as well.

    Now we check on these two 8 weeks after their PCT's. IMO the guy who ran #2 will be maintaining better than #1. This is my opinion but the longer you held the new bodyweight the easier it is to maintain.

    There is a reason people do not simply run 4 week oral only cycles gain there 15 lbs and call it a day. In the AAS community most stay on far longer, if the bulk of gains can be made in 4 weeks why stay on?

    All a theory/opinion that in my experience has personally panned out. If you disagree I respect your opinion.


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  3. Interesting.

    I'm not going to disagree or agree, I'm too lazy to type out a discussion for this, and I'm on my phone.

    I've succumbed to the ease of short answer.

  4. Hey no problem man I can't type on a phone unless it has decently sized buttons, touch screen forget about it(I foresee hard times in my future lol.)

    Like I said all a theory but it seems to hold water for me at least. When I used to take time off I would hover around 200, then a few years later it was 220, I recently took a year off and held at 240. Of course when I take breaks I loose muscle and gain some fat but my set point has reset a few times for sure.

    Like most of what we do in BB just a theory in practice. Take care.



  5. this all just proves that you should just try it yourself 8) lol cuz we will all tell you different. Here's a tip though: M-Sten is wicked. > and legal, for now.
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  6. I cannot provide any scientific evidence either pushin, but I also believe this to be true. I seem to have kept a larger portion of my gains on longer cycles.

  7. One major thing to consider is the fact that you will shut yourself down with PH's or Steroids. You might as well make the most of it and go with AAS. Also, legal doesn't mean safe. Many people seem to forget that M1T was legal at one point and that stuff had some nasty side's for some people even when used conservatively. The only reason you should prefer OTC PH's/PS is fear of being caught by the police. If I was on Probation or Parole and my PO was a jerk then I'd probably not use AAS until my probation or parole was terminated.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    One major thing to consider is the fact that you will shut yourself down with PH's or Steroids. You might as well make the most of it and go with AAS. Also, legal doesn't mean safe. Many people seem to forget that M1T was legal at one point and that stuff had some nasty side's for some people even when used conservatively. The only reason you should prefer OTC PH's/PS is fear of being caught by the police. If I was on Probation or Parole and my PO was a jerk then I'd probably not use AAS until my probation or parole was terminated.

    IMO there is a difference in the level of shut down between a product like BULK-UP and say Superdrol or Methyl-1Alpha.



  9. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    IMO there is a difference in the level of shut down between a product like BULK-UP and say Superdrol or Methyl-1Alpha.
    No doubt about but you still have to do PCT every time you get shut down so why not indulge yourself with some Test. My thinking was more along the lines of doing longer cycles with injectables and/or orals not just orals.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    No doubt about but you still have to do PCT every time you get shut down so why not indulge yourself with some Test. My thinking was more along the lines of doing longer cycles with injectables and/or orals not just orals.
    I guess the point I was trying to make is if you want to run a long cycle that will not totally F you up then non methyl prohormones such as BULK-UP, 4AD, and stano are an option. If legality is not a problem for you then injectable test reigns supreme of course.



  11. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    I guess the point I was trying to make is if you want to run a long cycle that will not totally F you up then non methyl prohormones such as BULK-UP, 4AD, and stano are an option. If legality is not a problem for you then injectable test reigns supreme of course.
    What do you think about 2ccs of test twice per week with Stano, 50mg of Proviron daily and some cabergoline?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    What do you think about 2ccs of test twice per week with Stano, 50mg of Proviron daily and some cabergoline?
    I can't say anything specific regarding pharmaceuticals. If I lived in a country where it was legal or I had a script I would use the bare minimum needed to make gains. Take care.



  13. cool thread bro i learned a lot

  14. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    cool thread bro i learned a lot
    me too. where you hiding at.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    I can't say anything specific regarding pharmaceuticals. If I lived in a country where it was legal or I had a script I would use the bare minimum needed to make gains. Take care.
    What's the concentration on your test?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    me too. where you hiding at.
    lol i usually come back to the forums when i cycle and workout. i haven't touched a weight in months been focking working full time and school full time brotha

  17. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk

    lol i usually come back to the forums when i cycle and workout. i haven't touched a weight in months been focking working full time and school full time brotha
    Dang dude, get it done!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jt339 View Post
    What's the concentration on your test?
    It was Enanth 250, Prop 100 and Sustanon 300.
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