Oxanavar cycle in new year
- 11-27-2004, 03:12 PM
Oxanavar cycle in new year
What's Up Guys and Girls,
I'm fairly new to this compared to most of you here, but
I have learned a little bit listening all your posts. My question
is regarding a cycle I plan on going on in January or so
I am 24 yrs.old, 145 lbs. well defined and already cut but wanted to use the
Oxanavar as a bulker rather than a cutter. I read Swany's cycle and thought
that it looks perfect, but the only concern I have is that Swany is much bigger
than I am. For someone my weight are doses such as 10mgs : week 1, 20mgs.
:week 2, 30mgs. : week 3, 40 mgs. : week 4 too much ? I only plan to this one
cycle, so with this into consideration I would be willing to stack it with something
to bulk me up a bit. I would much prefer to stay away from M1T due to the
side effects and for what my goals are I would be taking it all for the wrong reasons.
My goal is to hit the 165-175lbs. range, and maintain my low BF %.
I would like to find something that is the most safe, effective, and with the fewest
side effects. I know everything comes with something but I am just a bit overcausious
because it is my first cycle. Also the PCT I should be taking. I've read here that Nolva
is the pretty much the best but also I've read that some who have experienced side
effects while taking it.
If anyone could help me out I would really appreciate it.
- 11-27-2004, 04:07 PM
I would suggest that you do a lot more research before you even start using any gear..
How long have you been lifting? What does your diet look like?
11-27-2004, 06:15 PM
Thank you for your reply Matthiew D,
I have been working out for 4 years, but always stuck to
the basics (Whey, MRP,Creatine, Glud., and a good multi.). Due to listening
to bad advise in the past about what I should take, what I shouldn't
take, whats good and whats bad...I found that I wasted a little bit of time.
I am curently on a 30-40-30 diet, ranging between 2800-3000 calorie intake.
I believe my diet is in good form eating 6 meals a day, using 3 shakes to cover
for 3 meals because I still still cannot eat 6 meals of solid food. I have always been a
"hardgainer" , and although I do put on a few pounds here and there; I do not feel
I will reach my goal by taking what I am taking.
Matthiew D, I previously mentioned that I was new to this in terms of ph's and
cycling but I do have a fairly good sense as to how important nutrition, rest, and
hard workouts (basics).
Nothing is final on what I plan on doing, thats why I started this thread. Because I
really don't have the knowledge as to the people here but I can sit here for hours
and read post after post learning as much as possible. I haven't quite got the full
understanding of how compound placement occurs but will I learn you bet....
Again I thank you for your reply and I honestly do appreciate your concern.
I have not yet received my product yet but I can ensure you that before I start
the cycle I will definitely do my research on whats going into my body (if I do decide
11-27-2004, 06:23 PM
for your needs, var' isn't the mass compound you are looking for. i would reccommend checking out Deca, as it has good anabolic properties, is mildy androgenic, and presents few sides.
11-27-2004, 06:25 PM
that right there is why you are having trouble, you don't eat enoughOriginally Posted by SHREDDED4WEIGHT
3 shakes for 3 meals simply won't cut it
its also unlikely you are getting 3000 calories with only 3 solid meals
i know its rough, believe me i have a tiny appetite and am almost never hungry but i force myself to eat every 2 hours, you'll get used to it (doesn't mean you'll like it though lol)
11-27-2004, 11:48 PM
what constitutes a "shake"? if it's a MRP like mega mass/n-large II than you could easily be getting your calories. but if it's only a whey shake, than your probably lacking.
on the eating part, if you can do it for a week, your stomach will expand enough to where it doesn't hurt to eat that much. you'll get used to it and grow or not and stay forever a "girly-man" as my bro Ah-nuld says.
11-28-2004, 01:32 AM
Thanks Chasec and Genihan for your reply. I will up my
calorie intake and see how that goes. I definitely try to
substitute a shake for an extra meal. I know that for a little
while that I will have to force it down but I am always willing
to do my best. Chasec, thanks for your recommendation of
D-Bol, I have a few friends that did it and had great results.
I believe its the most common amongst newbies, and its been
around for years. I would consider it if I could get away with
doing it for 1 cycle and thats it. For me, I just want it to be
a one shot thing; and keep working hard to maitain it. The friends
I know I believe cycled it twice now. Don't really like to ask them too many
questions about that kinda stuff, it is kinda a touchy subject for some.
I just listen and keep my mouth shut, I'm no pro I don't say much unless
spoken to; till I become more familiar with what I'm talking about. I am glad I found this site, because I think the people here are the real deal, and know there ****. I didn't take very long to learn that.
Thank again for your feedback
11-28-2004, 01:48 AM
I ordered my Prolab Nlarge2 (10 lbs.), and also
I previously swtiched from 100 % whey to Micellar Matrix.
Eggs and milk are your friends for sure...
I don't mean to sound like a "girly man" here but I have
also changed my multi (Animal Pak) as 11 pills were just a
bit too much for me. Excellent product but I think I've put
my time in....LOL...Two tabs are much easier.
I read in the past that a lot of the old schoolers used
Glandulars. You don't really hear too much about them
anymore cause its well out dated...do these do anything?
11-28-2004, 06:53 AM
Guys, he was looking at m4ohn (gaspari brand calls it "oxanavar") not to anavar.
As first cycle 1-test + m4ohn is a good start and if he buy and do it before jan 20, its still legal.
Still, i feel he should do more research first
11-28-2004, 01:51 PM
Thanks Syr for your response,
The product I ordered is HM Gear not Gaspari. I am sue
that the componds are the same but just to clarify it is the
Hm Gear "Oxanavar". Maybe I'm ready, maybe I'm not only
time will tell. As I previously mentioned that I will be upping
my calorie intake untill Febuary or so, don't know how accurate
it is but I hear some (especially hardgainers) are gaining good
mass fom the Prolab Nlarge2; gaining a little bit of fat doesn't
bother me at all. Truthfully I thinks thats exactly what I need.
But I am still left with the question, which I'm sure a lot of people are waiting
for and that trying to find the best M4OHN dosage for your weight level. I think
everyone that I've seen here taking it are anywhere between 175-235lbs. How
would M4OHN work on someone at 150lbs. (gained a couple over the weekend).
If your already cut with very little BF % how would it work on me? Syr, how are the
sides for 1T? So assuming that I would use the 1t for the bulking cycle then as most
use the M4OHN during the cutting cycle? I do live in Canada, so it is realy hard to get certain
products. Not saying its impossible, just much harder and I will pay twice as much here cause
the people selling it know that there are only a handful of people that sell it here. I ordered
my M4OHN on the internet, so I am more than surprised it passed customs in Canada. I will
check with a few sources to see what I can do. Syr, in case of safety how does a stack
such as lets say: 4AD/oht transdermal stacked with M4OHN plus your recommeded PCT(s).
Just curious what you thought about something like that. But thank you for
your recemmendation if I can get it by all means , I will look into it.
Thanks for your reply and your feedback.
11-28-2004, 04:09 PM
Ah, yes HM Gear. Same stuff. Its probably 3mg/pill, dont remember.Originally Posted by SHREDDED4WEIGHT
Anyway at your weight you need 24-32 mg ED for bulking.
m4ohn needs to be splitted 3-4 times per day, due to the short half life.
PCT for m4ohn ALONE 3 weeks of 6oxo is enough.
As first cycle you can run it alone, add 1-Test, or also 4ad/oht as u said. Do some search for what suits u the most.
If safety is your main concern, m4ohn + 1,4add has practically no sides.
I suggest u to look on the prohormones forum.
Last edited by Syr; 11-28-2004 at 06:43 PM.
11-28-2004, 04:43 PM
ok, i thought you were talking about var. and shredded4, i wasn't talking about dbol, i was talking about deca-durabolin which is a good anabolic with mild sides that most seem to tolerate very well. the oxanavar is m4ohn, correct? i've used it at a high dose and didn't get a "bulking" effect from it per se, it was more of a cutting compound and a very good one at that. check out what i was talking about if you have time, it should suit you very well.
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca-Durabolin)
11-30-2004, 11:39 PM
Syr, that cycle looks perfect, I'm getting excited already.
I think I might add D-Bol to it....too much?
Chasec, your probably right that the Oxanavar (M4OHN)
will be best to cut with....I only have 1 bottle of it so
I wouldn't have enough to do a 4-6 week cycle.
But this new cycle I have in mind, just might do
the trick....You mentioned to check out Deca, doesn't
Oxanavar use Nadrolone? How different or more stronger
would Deca be than Oxanavar? (Considering that you were
to use Oxanavar as a bulking cycle? Lets say your
running it at 30-40 mgs? What's your opinion on D-Bol
for a first timer?
12-01-2004, 01:53 AM
m4ohn (oxanavar) produces metabolites similar to those of nandrolone which will cause a positive on a drug test for nandrolone. however, m4ohn is a much milder, weaker steroid. it's great as part of a stack, and unless you can run it at 50mgs for 6 weeks, than i wouldn't bother for bulking purposes.
dianabol on the other hand is a ****ing powerhouse. run it at 40mgs a day and deca at ~400mgs/week and you'll be bulkin quick. however, some people complain of progesterone induced side effects, so stacking with a test would be a good idea also.
12-01-2004, 02:17 AM
I think 40 mgs is little too much dianabol for a first cycle. I think you could bulk up to the weight you want running a transdermal 4ad/1test and 20-30mg dbol to kick it off (that's if you wanna go with dbol). You could go ahead and run the oxanavar instead of dbol, it's anabolic too of course! Just different compounds.
12-01-2004, 06:40 AM
In low doses and for less than 5 weeks m4ohn is a waste.Originally Posted by SHREDDED4WEIGHT
You may need "only" 32mg for bulking (not 50), but tats subjective.
I dont know d-bol, sorry.
As first timer, I suggest u to use Test or 1-Test as base.
[Edit: fixed quoting]
Last edited by Syr; 12-01-2004 at 01:14 PM.
12-01-2004, 12:02 PM
i got confused what forum i was in, sorry. i saw the 'var and thought he was talking real steroids. for a first cycle, 1-test works like a charm.
the dosage on the m4ohn is purely subjective. i ran it at 40mg and didn't get any pronounced muscle building effects from it. i really did like it though, it is a great CNS stimulator and produces a sense of well-being all day for me. what ever you decide to do, good luck with your cycle.
12-03-2004, 12:22 PM
12-03-2004, 01:45 PM
really? the majority of people now days start at 40-50 mg's. mainly because most tabs available around here are 50mg tabs. i know back in the day it was more of a 20mg dose, but it was run for a longer period of time. either way you'll get kick ass gains in a short period of time.Originally Posted by Jblake
12-16-2004, 05:39 PM
I dont think someone at 145lbs should have to use 32mg m4ohn ed, if stacking it with other PHs. that sounds like a little much. I am 175 and doing fine on 15mg m4ohn, stacking with 1-tu, and 4ad. I am thinking of uping the dosage to 20-25 for the last 2 weeks of this 4 week cycle, but i am unsure.
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