Havent used any of their designers but I can tell you that CVM Xtreme is my favorite creatine product.
(I am a SNS Rep btw...I need to get that clearly stated in my sig and user title)
Just wait for the new CVM, currently being flavored, will be a killer formula.
Also, expect some other updates and product line expansion in the near future.
Regarding us making ****e products, please, we make solid products, at extremely fair pricing.