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  1. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    It will be my second. First time around was a Test Prop 100mg/day solo run (kinda foolish). I plan to do a big and long bulking cycle, take some time off, then do one more cutting/lean mass cycle leading up to a show hopefully.
    Dont think was foolish to run prop solo. I think it was actually good. Im not too crazy running 700mg a week as first cycle though
    Def look into doing test/dbol. It's a good proven bulker. No need to add anything else.
    What dosages are you thinking?
    Also, what are your stats btw?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Dont think was foolish to run prop solo. I think it was actually good. Im not too crazy running 700mg a week as first cycle though
    Def look into doing test/dbol. It's a good proven bulker. No need to add anything else.
    What dosages are you thinking?
    Also, what are your stats btw?

    The reason I took such dosage was because I'm pretty sure it was underdosed. Anyways, My stats are 6'2, 220 with 7-8% bodyfat (no I'm not lying, I measure my fat with calipers lol). I have a good physique, I just want to get bodybuilder huge. Test/Dbol is gonna be what I try. I'm thinking 500mg test/week and 30-40mg dbol/day. Maybe once the test kicks in I'll go 10-20mg of Dbol/day until my final shot when test starts to go out of my system. Then bring it back to 30-40mg a day until all the test is gone. Then PCT obviously.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ozdog View Post
    cutting was a combination of Test Sus EOD, Winny EOD, Tren EOD, Halo last 3 weeks, novedex (uped dose last week) Growth (drop the last week), T3 and T4, clem, Phen.

    I was being traning by a big named pro, thats were I learned most of my stuff, I was also working with a Doc, My liver levels got pretty high. I was doing growth every day 1 x day ( now some poeple like to split the GH up over the day) I dont recall the exact amount of slin I was taking, During the off season, I in conjuntion with my doc, I expermined with when I was takingthe slin. One issue I had was taking in a 100 grams of simple sugars right after my slin shot, filled me and bloated my gut, then I had to have quick sugars with me at all times. It was a full time job
    Nothing wrong with one shot of gh a day and by the sound of it you prob were taking around 10-15IUs of insulin.
    You were def threading on the edge with these cycles, glad you monitoring your liver values.
    Do you have any lasting effects from these cycles you did?
    Thanks for the info man!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    The reason I took such dosage was because I'm pretty sure it was underdosed. Anyways, My stats are 6'2, 220 with 7-8% bodyfat (no I'm not lying, I measure my fat with calipers lol). I have a good physique, I just want to get bodybuilder huge. Test/Dbol is gonna be what I try. I'm thinking 500mg test/week and 30-40mg dbol/day. Maybe once the test kicks in I'll go 10-20mg of Dbol/day until my final shot when test starts to go out of my system. Then bring it back to 30-40mg a day until all the test is gone. Then PCT obviously.
    Got it! Yeah that makes sense if you think thery were underdosed.
    Great stats, you got a good starting point.
    As far as the cycle I like the dosages you thinking about doing. Not crazy you being on dbol for 10-12 weeks though. If you want, do a front and back load. do 5 weeks front load of dbol. Take a few weeks break then back load the last 4 weeks with dbol again.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Got it! Yeah that makes sense if you think thery were underdosed.
    Great stats, you got a good starting point.
    As far as the cycle I like the dosages you thinking about doing. Not crazy you being on dbol for 10-12 weeks though. If you want, do a front and back load. do 5 weeks front load of dbol. Take a few weeks break then back load the last 4 weeks with dbol again.
    Even better. Then the dosage the first few weeks and last few can be a little higher and my liver can relax a little in the middle. Thanks! Now, I've got two possible sources... and I've gotta choice the one I think will come through for me lol

  6. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    The reason I took such dosage was because I'm pretty sure it was underdosed. Anyways, My stats are 6'2, 220 with 7-8% bodyfat (no I'm not lying, I measure my fat with calipers lol). I have a good physique, I just want to get bodybuilder huge. Test/Dbol is gonna be what I try. I'm thinking 500mg test/week and 30-40mg dbol/day. Maybe once the test kicks in I'll go 10-20mg of Dbol/day until my final shot when test starts to go out of my system. Then bring it back to 30-40mg a day until all the test is gone. Then PCT obviously.
    have u considered stacking with a more anabolic injectable? 400mg decca per week would be a great addition just stop the decca 2 weeks before the test. u should post up a cycle layout so we can critigue

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    have u considered stacking with a more anabolic injectable? 400mg decca per week would be a great addition just stop the decca 2 weeks before the test. u should post up a cycle layout so we can critigue
    Weeks 1-10 : Test Enanthate (250mg/twice a week) 500mg
    Weeks 1-2 : Dbol 40mg/day
    Weeks 11-13: Dbol 40mg/day
    Weeks 1-13 : Adex .25 mg/day

    Weeks 14-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20


    Something like that? I'm sure Deca Could be tossed in. But I know for sure I can find those compounds form 1 of my 2 possible sources.

  8. Stack the dbol with 20mg of superdrol, boom.

    Weeks 1-4

    Winni/test/tren last 5weeks to finish.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Stack the dbol with 20mg of superdrol, boom.

    Weeks 1-4

    Winni/test/tren last 5weeks to finish.
    Is superdrol a PH? And I have no intentions of cutting on this cycle so why would I want the Winstrol? this is purely for muscle mass gain.

  10. After the show I take a break for a month from training and go clean for while and jump on a lite maintance cycle. I only rev up the dose when Im getting ready for a show, I havent had any health issues. Where bodybuilders go wrong is they are obsessed with staying big a ripped all year. You have to cycle you sups, low, mainatnce, bulk and cut. You cant run 100% all the time.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Stack the dbol with 20mg of superdrol, boom.

    Weeks 1-4

    Winni/test/tren last 5weeks to finish.
    Nice bulk with a bit of cut at then end. I like!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Is superdrol a PH? And I have no intentions of cutting on this cycle so why would I want the Winstrol? this is purely for muscle mass gain.
    Winnie/test/tren does not half to be a cut with the right diet, it will certainly get you ripped.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach

    Winnie/test/tren does not half to be a cut with the right diet, it will certainly get you ripped.
    Tren with its superior nutrient partitioning qualities makes it a very good steroid for a bulk. You can be assured that what you eat will go towards quality muscle. Test serves as the base and winny will add that nice DHT base to help keep tren sides at bay. Tren test and winny could easily be a great bulk cycle.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Is superdrol a PH? And I have no intentions of cutting on this cycle so why would I want the Winstrol? this is purely for muscle mass gain.
    superol is an active steroid.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Eric160
    superol is an active steroid.
    17a methylated masteron

    And the winni is to keep tren sides at bay

  16. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    The reason I took such dosage was because I'm pretty sure it was underdosed. Anyways, My stats are 6'2, 220 with 7-8% bodyfat (no I'm not lying, I measure my fat with calipers lol). I have a good physique, I just want to get bodybuilder huge. Test/Dbol is gonna be what I try. I'm thinking 500mg test/week and 30-40mg dbol/day. Maybe once the test kicks in I'll go 10-20mg of Dbol/day until my final shot when test starts to go out of my system. Then bring it back to 30-40mg a day until all the test is gone. Then PCT obviously.

    This is your natural base stats and you havent ran an injectable cycle yet? props 2 you man you should be set. Im 6'1 208 with 8-10bf and im still waiting to hit about your size before my first injectable.

    That being said in my mind i created a first cycle almost identical to yours thats basic, simple and moderate doses.

    Will do
    1-10 weeks test 500mg a week
    1-4 kicker of either one of these. Dbol/sd/Alpha-one
    may add in not sure but some deca.

    I got 2 questions..

    Best kicker between superdrol, dbol and Alpha-one?

    Best form of test between cyp, prop, e and sust. 250?(strength/bulk)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ozdog View Post
    After the show I take a break for a month from training and go clean for while and jump on a lite maintance cycle. I only rev up the dose when Im getting ready for a show, I havent had any health issues. Where bodybuilders go wrong is they are obsessed with staying big a ripped all year. You have to cycle you sups, low, mainatnce, bulk and cut. You cant run 100% all the time.
    I agree

  18. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Weeks 1-10 : Test Enanthate (250mg/twice a week) 500mg
    Weeks 1-2 : Dbol 40mg/day
    Weeks 11-13: Dbol 40mg/day
    Weeks 1-13 : Adex .25 mg/day

    Weeks 14-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20


    Something like that? I'm sure Deca Could be tossed in. But I know for sure I can find those compounds form 1 of my 2 possible sources.
    Looks good brotha. Adex might be too much ED. See how you feel taking .25 EOD might be better. You dont want too much or too little just enough to keep sides at bay.
    About adding more compounds to the mix. SInce this is your experimentation phase keep it simple. Next cycle you can do dbol/deca/test if you want. As your cycles get more involved recovery will be harder though. Deca and tren, especially tren is hard on your body. Besides, if you gain easy you may not even need a ton of stuff to make great gains anyway.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Looks good brotha. Adex might be too much ED. See how you feel taking .25 EOD might be better. You dont want too much or too little just enough to keep sides at bay.
    About adding more compounds to the mix. SInce this is your experimentation phase keep it simple. Next cycle you can do dbol/deca/test if you want. As your cycles get more involved recovery will be harder though. Deca and tren, especially tren is hard on your body. Besides, if you gain easy you may not even need a ton of stuff to make great gains anyway.
    sounds good to me. thanks!
  

  
 

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