Abort on day 5 of H-drol, Torem???
11-01-2012 10:35 PM
Abort on day 5 of H-drol, Torem???
ok so I can get into more details if you guys want, but I started H-drol 5 days ago and yesterday my BP went to and stayed close to 165. Today it is still in the high 130's so no more H-drol for now. May try again in two weeks after a true proper Support preload...
I took 20mg torem and 3g DAA as a precaution for recovery and my left testicle has doubled in size. Well not the testicle itself, but I believe it's called the Epididymis, is what looks to be large, the tubes on the top of it. Normal? Or freak out because my penis is about to fall off into another dimension inhabited by dogs who will then eat it?
And I'm guessing no more torm?
11-01-2012 10:40 PM
Were u taking a cycle assist to help with blood pressure ?
11-01-2012 10:57 PM
Take it for fun, Higher natural test makes me feel more boss
11-01-2012 11:03 PM
Yes I took AI cycle support, 1 scoop for 5 days maybe, two scoops daily on cycle. I was taking TUDCA for a few days before at 250mg and 500 mg on cycle. Someone on another forum mentioned the TUDCA cause high BP?????? I thought TUDCA was supposed to be the magic liver sup, I never heard of sides from it. Also someone said maybe Hawthorn helped cause the spike because I didn't preload long enough?
11-01-2012 11:32 PM
Wtf TUDCA causes high BP would love to
Read a study on this!
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11-01-2012 11:34 PM
Should have gone with Cycle Assist
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11-01-2012 11:38 PM
Sarcasm? Aren't they almost the same thing??
Originally Posted by mw1
11-01-2012 11:44 PM
What mg of hdrol did you start with? BP In the 130s would be normal for an hdrol cycle
11-02-2012 12:03 AM
I started at 50mg, but the day that spiked I tried bumping to 75 and took one before the gym. I never made it to the gym as I sat around assessing my situation.
Originally Posted by JD261985
My BP is normally in the 120's. That's normal, right? I was in the 130's the first day. I think I hit the 140's on day three or four before the 165 spike and hovering in the 150's...
I'm still in the high 130's now without taking any H-drol today so I'm almost thinking the Hawthorn berry is responsible for part of it if it really does cause a spike at first, before leveling out? so lost on all this. and I thought I had self-edjumakated and self smarted myself...
11-02-2012 12:48 AM
Well I would've started at 25 and stayed at that for a week to get adjusted to the PH. Also were you becoming panicked by your situation? Hawthorne berry does cause an initial spike in blood pressure that's why you're supposed to preload. 120/80 I believe is normal. I heard someone say that the bottom number is more important than the top although most people don't know that. Also did your weight jump at all and are you using any caffeinated supplements or products?
11-02-2012 12:57 AM
no weight change. And NO caffeine. I never have caffeine. Ever. I don't like it. makes me feel funny. I'll do chocolate though... in fact, I had a very small amount of chocolate (it was Halloween after all). Would that contribute?
And my BP is still 138/81. The bottom number has remained 70's-90's-80's through it all. I think the top number has to do with the pressure it reaches when the heart beats while the bottom is constant pressure. I think the top one is where the risk lies?
11-02-2012 01:01 AM
i think it was just the hawthorne spike with the hdrol spike because you didnt preload long enough or at high enough dose. usually takes at least 7 days for hawthorne to set in
11-02-2012 01:05 AM
120/80 is kinda the high end of normal already. 150 isn't a big deal if it comes back down... I would have stayed on and assessed it longer.. 5 days isn't really long enough to get a handle in what's causing it..
Sounds like you were uneducated in your decision to cycle and jumped the gun with pulling out.... With no headaches, dizziness or any other sides, I definitely would have stated the course before pulling out... Go read a little more before you cycle again is my advice.
11-02-2012 01:05 AM
Yeah I didn't realize it needed to be 2 scoops for preload... **** I hate wasting time and money doing something stoopid
Originally Posted by ThunderHumper
11-02-2012 01:07 AM
And the numbers you're referring to measure the pump of the heart (blood out) and then the contraction ( blood in)...
11-02-2012 01:11 AM
I forgot to mention that headaches and anxiety came with the BP, figured that was a given...
Originally Posted by Damorgs
I read a lot, I guess I just thought one week was enough pre-load with hdrol being mild after so many people said 1-2 weeks preload. And with TUDCA included in my cycle for extra protection. I didn't see much on BP from Hdrol like from alpha-1 or SD, so I didn't expect it to be a big deal.
I wouldn't say I didn't read up, just that I underestimated the power of hdrol after so many people say things like "50 is nothing, just start at 75" etc, to people. Stoooopid
11-02-2012 02:08 AM
I think it's the hawthorn berry. I took cycle support again tonight and it's been about 30 hours since h-drol, and my BP went back up to 151/81
11-02-2012 06:07 AM
again, Hawthorne berry. I read somewhere that it has to saturate in your system
pick up celery seed extract. any shop has it. it lowers BP almost immediately. there's a few threads on here about it, I know cycle armor has it in there, not sure of any other products that has it combined
11-02-2012 09:42 AM
I agree with giving celery seed a shot, although it didn't seem to help my BP much during my Halo cycle. However, in an attempt to boost my immune function to fight off a cold I felt coming on, I began using CL's Orange Oximega Greens formula, and my BP dropped sharply. Lower than I've ever seen it, in fact. I credit this to the nitrate donors in the product.
Originally Posted by Sean1332
11-02-2012 09:53 AM
Cycle assist is far more comprehensive than cycle support
Originally Posted by rayjay
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