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    winter shred cycle questions


    stats: 6ft 3in tall 235lbs aprox 10-12% bodyfat. been training ever since i can remember as i was a wrestler from a young age. plenty of cycle experience with test and a ton of ph/ds. goal is too cut decently hard while atleast maintaing lbm

    diet:
    between 3500 and 4000kcals (my calculated maintenance in 4500)
    carbs only preworkout and 1 or 2 meals after depending on how late i work out
    macros will vary day to day but i intend to keep carbs down to 250-300g a day
    fasted cardio in the am whenever i get a chance

    cycle:
    weeks 1-4 sd @ 30/30/30/30
    weeks 1-12 test e @ 500mg a week (1ml e3d)
    tren e @ 200mg a week (1/2ml e3d)
    aromasin @ 12.5mg eod
    pct not fully planned yet but i assure u it will be good i never slack on pct

    questions:
    would this dose of tren require a dopamine agonist like caber?
    also would winny make a decent DRY kicker? sd makes me crave carbs too much while im cutting
    ive been reading into the differences between adex and aromasin what do most prefer??

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    or has anyone ever used epi for a kickstart??
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    def go with aromasin over adex and have you ever ran tbol? For your goal I think it would make a great kicker. and sorry I dont have much experience with tren
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    ive never ran tbol. but ive read up on it and it seems like what i need for a kicker. have u ever used it? as for the tren i guess ill just have to wait and see and keep some caber on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160
    ive never ran tbol. but ive read up on it and it seems like what i need for a kicker. have u ever used it? as for the tren i guess ill just have to wait and see and keep some caber on hand.
    yeah im actually running it now and I def think its what your looking for. my strength and endurance went up and my waist shrunk. I did have a lil bp issue early but I think my body just needed some time to get use to it.tne only other sides are back pumps, vivid dreams, and night sweats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking23 View Post
    yeah im actually running it now and I def think its what your looking for. my strength and endurance went up and my waist shrunk. I did have a lil bp issue early but I think my body just needed some time to get use to it.tne only other sides are back pumps, vivid dreams, and night sweats
    what dose? and whats ur diet looking like? how long did it take to kick in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160
    what dose? and whats ur diet looking like? how long did it take to kick in?
    I'm running it at 40mg about to bump it to 50mg and I'm on a surplus but nothing crazy. i felt it right away but I started seeing improvements after week 2.
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    I, personally, ......am a whore for EPI. As quick as I grow muscle with it I see no need to stack it with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking23 View Post
    I'm running it at 40mg about to bump it to 50mg and I'm on a surplus but nothing crazy. i felt it right away but I started seeing improvements after week 2.
    cool. thanks. any sides to speak of
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    Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    I, personally, ......am a whore for EPI. As quick as I grow muscle with it I see no need to stack it with anything.
    yess i am too ive used it so many times but it just makes me look awsome whats ur dosing normally like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    yess i am too ive used it so many times but it just makes me look awsome whats ur dosing normally like


    45mg ED Only have done one cycle of it. Gained 13lbs in 3 weeks. Could of been more if I had added mass gainer shakes. Very close to being done with pct and I'm back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    45mg ED Only have done one cycle of it. Gained 13lbs in 3 weeks. Could of been more if I had added mass gainer shakes. Very close to being done with pct and I'm back on.
    dam thats what u could expect with sd hahaha. i may go with epi its alot cheaper too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    dam thats what u could expect with sd hahaha. i may go with epi its alot cheaper too


    Keep in mind its probably because It's my first cycle....but I plan to see what a second time of EPI can do. Definitely not as harsh as SD but still a pretty strong methyl. So LIVER UP!
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    anyone wanna help me with the tren??
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    You can run the Tren from 150-225/week. Have you considered Winnie? Nice combo for a cut! I would not run this more than 8 weeks, as the Winnie is a methyl. As far as tool goes, it's one of my favorites, quality lean muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach View Post
    You can run the Tren from 150-225/week. Have you considered Winnie? Nice combo for a cut! I would not run this more than 8 weeks, as the Winnie is a methyl. As far as tool goes, it's one of my favorites, quality lean muscle.
    i was under the impression that 200mg tren ew was a lower dose. would this dose require caber on bromo? and yes i have considered winnie. are u suggesting i use it later in the cycle or as a kicker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    i was under the impression that 200mg tren ew was a lower dose. would this dose require caber on bromo? and yes i have considered winnie. are u suggesting i use it later in the cycle or as a kicker?
    I subscribe to the short cycle theory, running my cycles around 8 weeks. Just to be clear, I have not personnaly used Trn, but I have been looking at it closely, as I plan to run it this spring as part of a recomp/cut cycle. I am planning to run the Winnie at 25mg/day for 4 weeks and then 50mg/day for 4 weeks, with Tren @ 150mg/week for 4 weeks, and 225mg/week for 4 weeks. Additionaly I plan to through in Mesterolone @ 50mg/week to keep libido right where I want to keep it. I would use a good liver support & cholesterol support and that's it. No AI needed as there is no threat of high E2 with this cycle. I do not know much about Caber or Bromo, so I can't comment if this will help.
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    My understanding is Tren is POWERFULL ****, i WOULD NOT UNDERESTIMATE ITS POWER. As this will be my first run on it, I plan to use Tren Ace, so I can quicklt abort if its not going right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach View Post
    I subscribe to the short cycle theory, running my cycles around 8 weeks. Just to be clear, I have not personnaly used Trn, but I have been looking at it closely, as I plan to run it this spring as part of a recomp/cut cycle. I am planning to run the Winnie at 25mg/day for 4 weeks and then 50mg/day for 4 weeks, with Tren @ 150mg/week for 4 weeks, and 225mg/week for 4 weeks. Additionaly I plan to through in Mesterolone @ 50mg/week to keep libido right where I want to keep it. I would use a good liver support & cholesterol support and that's it. No AI needed as there is no threat of high E2 with this cycle. I do not know much about Caber or Bromo, so I can't comment if this will help.
    so ur saying ur useing tren without test and proviron instead for libido because of how androgenic? this is an interesting approach sounds like an awsome cut. i may just up the test and drop the tren and do a similar cycle in the spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    so ur saying ur useing tren without test and proviron instead for libido because of how androgenic? this is an interesting approach sounds like an awsome cut. i may just up the test and drop the tren and do a similar cycle in the spring
    Proviron's values are: 30-40 androgenic & 100-150 anabolic and uses Test Prop as a base, with no aromitization to estrogen. there is no need for an AI. Proviron is a strong androgen with only a weak level of anabolic. Proviron works well to potentiate the activity of other AAS, by displacing a higher percentage into a free state unbound state.
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    ooh. so the provi is just for the shbg binding effect. but i would imagine it could help with any libido issues from tren. what test/tren ratio are u using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160 View Post
    ooh. so the provi is just for the shbg binding effect. but i would imagine it could help with any libido issues from tren. what test/tren ratio are u using?
    You are spot on!! 75mg/prov, 150 -225mg/Tren 2x week, & 25mg/Winnie/day
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach View Post
    You are spot on!! 75mg/prov, 150 -225mg/Tren 2x week, & 25mg/Winnie/day
    that sounds like a kickass cycle bro i miht stela ur idea for a spring cutter lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric160
    or has anyone ever used epi for a kickstart??
    I think it takes too long to kick in to be an effective kickstart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srblan

    I think it takes too long to kick in to be an effective kickstart.
    I fully agree. Not a real fan of " kick starts", I decide what it is I am trying to accomplish and Taylor to that. I do not run any cycles past 8 weeks. Doing this you can get 3-4 cycles per year.
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