Hey guys, so my original plan was either H-Drol or Epistane. The reason i haven't began my cycle is bc i'll have more time to focus and run everything in perfection in the winter. BUT i've been reading a lot while i am waiting to begin and im glad i've been doing all this reading bc im finding lots of people who have run h-drol or epistane saying that for this product being a "steroid" it is not worth the money and the time. a pretty common range of gain from this product seems to be about 10lbs at MOST and the end up keeping a solid 5lbs. So i began researching on other products that might be a bit more efficient bc i definitely don't want to take a product that's going to have me spending close to 300 dollars and get minimal results. Superdrol is out the question, that seems be a solid product for someone who's looking to have liver problems. This will be my first cycle so of course im not looking to get into injections and other products that are for the more advanced users but definitely not ecstatic about the thought of running such mild PH's, i've seen lots of before and after pictures from these two products, and i have to say, i am nowhere near impressed. Thanks again guys, i've got an entire plan layed out with the help of another member so he might not be too thrilled to see that im trying to go into another direction but before i run my cycle i want results.