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    First PH hormone cycle advice?


    Im fairly new to PH's but I've been doing a fair amount of research lately. I wanted to try Epistane as my first PH because it's not one of the more harcore ones. I wanted to run it anywhere from 4-6 weeks still debating. But I do think I need a little more direction. I was thinking of doing hawthorn berry two weeks prior of the cycle. Once i start my cycle i was thinking of starting with 1 15mg caps and just increase doasage to 3 caps in a day over a gradual time period then start decreasing back down once im getting closer to the end of the cycle. During the cycle i was going to take CEL cycle assist as well as some taurine, liv.52, fish oil, multi and obviously a **** ton of protein and carbs, which i do already. Post cycle i wanted to try novaldex, daa and erase. I would start this pct the day after my cycle does this sound like a good set up or do I need to reformulate it completely? Any information is very appreciated! Thanks!

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    Epi may not be considered hardcore for guys that have done PH cycles before, could be a different story for you.

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    You should be fine with epi as a first cycle.
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    you did your homework. some people report major shutdown on epi btw, so dont jump the gun on dosage. other good starters are dhea, hdrol, pmag incase you want options
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    Yeah I try to do a fair amount of homework before i commit to it. I definitely picked that one because it sounded more mild than the others. So if my research is correct and y'all are saying it sounds like a good set up i going to go ahead and try it out! Thanks!
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    No need to taper up or down the Epi. Run it at 30mgs for 4-6 weeks along with Cycle Assist

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    Okay thanks! And everything else sounds pretty good? Just making sure I am doing all i can do since it is my first time
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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    Okay thanks! And everything else sounds pretty good? Just making sure I am doing all i can do since it is my first time
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    Alright thanks! I appreciate it!
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    Start epi at 30mgs and after one week if the sides are minimal go to 45mg for the remaining 5 weeks.

    Epi is best run for 6 weeks.

    Pct of nolva at 20/20/10/10
    Erase at 0/0/3/3/2/1
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    I am using AMS for my first prohormone cycle, I am just starting the last week of a 4 week cycle. I went with Decavol, and 4-AD. PCT is supposed to be very managable, I am using Arom-X, DAA and Bulbine. I do have Clomid on hand just in case, but from all accounts I should not need it. So far I am up 4 lbs and my strength is up as well, about 15lbs added to my 5 rep max on all main lifts. I also am noticing I am a little leaner. All in all I am glad I went the mild route for my first cycle, I am learning quite a bit. I will probably do another run in the winter with a little more kick, still looking around at options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    I am using AMS for my first prohormone cycle, I am just starting the last week of a 4 week cycle. I went with Decavol, and 4-AD. PCT is supposed to be very managable, I am using Arom-X, DAA and Bulbine. I do have Clomid on hand just in case, but from all accounts I should not need it. So far I am up 4 lbs and my strength is up as well, about 15lbs added to my 5 rep max on all main lifts. I also am noticing I am a little leaner. All in all I am glad I went the mild route for my first cycle, I am learning quite a bit. I will probably do another run in the winter with a little more kick, still looking around at options.
    Sorry to high jack but how many are you dosing each day? I'm just started week 5 at 3 each day and after an initial raised libido in weeks 2-3, I have noticed very little from 1-ad, 4-ad and now week 2 of decavol.

    Not much strength and minimal weight gain than from natural gains during a bulk. Up about 5 lbs in 5 weeks so not much more that natty gains if at all.
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    I am dosing 2 of each daily. I alternate each one every 4 hours, like this:

    Decavol at 6AM
    4-AD at 10AM
    Decavol at 2PM
    4-AD at 6 PM

    So far I am pleased. I am up 4 lbs with a slight leaning out effect and I am not really eating as much as I should be, just a little over maintenance. Strength gains have been very good, I anticipate about 20lbs gained to each of my main lifts at 5 rep max by the time i'm through. I am only doing a 4 week run and I just started the last week. So far no sides at all, libido is very high. A couple times at the beginning I went a few hours without water at work and go a mild headache, but after drinking it went right away. But thats more my fault.

    Next cycle will be something a little more powerful, and for 6 weeks instead of 4. And I plan on eating pretty high calories with a slightly more "dirty" diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    I am dosing 2 of each daily. I alternate each one every 4 hours, like this:

    Decavol at 6AM
    4-AD at 10AM
    Decavol at 2PM
    4-AD at 6 PM

    So far I am pleased. I am up 4 lbs with a slight leaning out effect and I am not really eating as much as I should be, just a little over maintenance. Strength gains have been very good, I anticipate about 20lbs gained to each of my main lifts at 5 rep max by the time i'm through. I am only doing a 4 week run and I just started the last week. So far no sides at all, libido is very high. A couple times at the beginning I went a few hours without water at work and go a mild headache, but after drinking it went right away. But thats more my fault.

    Next cycle will be something a little more powerful, and for 6 weeks instead of 4. And I plan on eating pretty high calories with a slightly more "dirty" diet.
    Glad to see things are working well for you. I feel like if you are getting those gains I should be getting more (dosing 50% more and been on for a week longer, not to mention 1-ad is stronger than both of those compounds)... but everyone is different. Hopefully I just beast-out in week 5. Not looking for H-drol or Epi gains here but I should notice more than a test boosters results. I got stronger with DAA, AXX and Triazole it seems like
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixandaHalf View Post
    Glad to see things are working well for you. I feel like if you are getting those gains I should be getting more (dosing 50% more and been on for a week longer, not to mention 1-ad is stronger than both of those compounds)... but everyone is different. Hopefully I just beast-out in week 5. Not looking for H-drol or Epi gains here but I should notice more than a test boosters results. I got stronger with DAA, AXX and Triazole it seems like

    There are so many variables its tough to figure out why. I had mild gains the 2nd week, and very noticeable ones the 3rd. This week I feel "cranked up", so hopefully I will finish very strong and have a good post cycle. I am going to up my calories a bit this last week also and hopefully put on another couple lbs, I have read that weight gain should be most prominent the 3rd and 4th week on the cycle I am doing.

    Good luck and hopefully you will get something out of the remaining time. If not I hope your next cycle works out better for you if you decide to try again with something else.

    I am thinking my next cycle will probably be Alphamass/Alphabulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogyman

    There are so many variables its tough to figure out why. I had mild gains the 2nd week, and very noticeable ones the 3rd. This week I feel "cranked up", so hopefully I will finish very strong and have a good post cycle. I am going to up my calories a bit this last week also and hopefully put on another couple lbs, I have read that weight gain should be most prominent the 3rd and 4th week on the cycle I am doing.

    Good luck and hopefully you will get something out of the remaining time. If not I hope your next cycle works out better for you if you decide to try again with something else.

    I am thinking my next cycle will probably be Alphamass/Alphabulk.
    Curious, did you orally dissolve them all the way or swallow after 30 sec as directed?
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    Someone mention Epistane?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SixandaHalf

    Curious, did you orally dissolve them all the way or swallow after 30 sec as directed?
    I let them completely dissolve. I figured that would allow for maximum absorption in mouth, and then its still going to make its way into my stomach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1
    No need to taper up or down the Epi. Run it at 30mgs for 4-6 weeks along with Cycle Assist
    Yes supports during cycle. Cycle assist or liver xt. Should be an easy run
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    Cycle assist alone is not enough.... definitely add an extra liver support as mentioned. I recommend liv.52
  

  
 

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