M4OHN MDein Mega Dose Cycle
11-20-2004 04:25 PM
M4OHN MDein Mega Dose Cycle
Hey guys I would like some opinions about an upcoming cycle I plan on running. My goal is to do a body recomp. I would like to net about a 10 - 12 pound difference. I will give an example to explain what I mean. I would be happy gaining 5 pounds as long as I lose 5 pounds of fat. So when its all said and done I would have put on 10 to 12 pounds of muscle. Or If I gain 13 pounds and 10 are muscle then so be it. Here are the options tell me which one you think is better and why. Training and diet are in check and I have done many cycles.
option 1: 1-test/4ad/4oht transdermal
500mg/300mg/300mg a day
option 2: Mega dose Methyl D
20 - 30 mg/day
option 3: 80-100 M4OHN
Option 1 is the least attractive to me but if everyone else thinks that the other two compunds are bunk or won't work for what I want them to work for I will do it because I know it works. With the ban coming up it would be nice to know if one of the other two compunds are worthwhile for what I am looking for. I have searched hundreds of threads and the opinions of mdien and M4OHN seems to change by the month. Any input is welcomed especially those with experience with over 15mg mdien or 50 mg M4OHN.
11-20-2004 04:37 PM
Well, option 1 is guaranteed to give you what you want. MD and M4OHN didin't work for me at all, but i didn't use it at those ridiculous dosages you have in mind. I would like to see you do option2or 3 before i decide how much of my MD and M4OHN powder to dump.
11-20-2004 04:40 PM
That's a HUGE amount of transdermal, 7.7g/wk!! You damn right it would work very well. NO PROBLEM attaining your goals. A touch on the overkill side in my opinion. -- Are you sure you've got your numbers right?
Depending on efficiency (25-50%) that's equivalent to:
1250-2500mg of 1-test-cyp/wk
What kind of transdermal formula are you (planning to) use? If it is a normal liquid one, at 50mg/ml, you are looking at smothering yourself in 11ml twice a day. If you were going to use Phlojel, it would be ~3ml.
You could easily cut your transdermal dose in half, and add in the orals. If you are working from raw powders, this would still be relatively cheap, but damned effective.
11-20-2004 04:50 PM
Hot Italian Goldmember
Option 1 will surely work, but i'd change the doses to a 1:1:1 ratio:
1-test/4ad/4oht transdermal @ 300mg/300mg/300mg a day, or maybe a little more 4oht
4oht alone is great for body recomp.
I dont like option 2: no one has done blood tests and i'm pretty sure that m-dien its quite hard on the liver.
For option 3, instead i would reduce the m4ohn dose to 40-50mg and stack it with 600mg of 1,4add.
AFAIK above 40mg nothing changed for most users.
Beware that these 2 compounds did not work for someone, expecially experienced users.
[edit: added more detalis]
11-20-2004 04:57 PM
I like option 3.
There are quite a few of us(esspecially me) who really want to see what m4ohn is capable of at higher than 40mg ed doses.
Run option 3 for 8 weeks and please have a blood test done during the cycle if posseble(would be interesting). You would be rendering a great service to the board and everbody stocking up.
Please do option 3 at 80mg ed or more. For the sake of science!!
11-20-2004 05:14 PM
I did m4ohn up to 47mg and noticed very little. I could tell it was there but not enough to gain weight or body recomp. I stacked it with 1200mg 1,4 for 5 1/2 wks.
I want to try mdien at those doses too, but I would stack it because I dont think it would be strong enough for me.
11-20-2004 05:59 PM
What ever happened to the guy doing 100mg/day of M4OHN?
11-20-2004 06:30 PM
dead sexy wino
Originally Posted by lancelot
11-20-2004 06:47 PM
Your Right Strateg0s that is a pretty ridiculous amount of rubbing I will need to do. I was planning on getting some t-gel if I could find it. No one has it in right now. What is this Phlojel and where can I read about it at? I was actually going to settle for the customizing gel which is the same as the dermoblics gel. That is why my numbers are a little higher. Syr recommend 300 300 300 distribution I think that sounds more reasonable what are your recommendations for distribution? Keep in mind I am 260 and an experienced user.
Originally Posted by Strateg0s
11-20-2004 06:49 PM
Thanks for the input that's a big -1 poing for the M4OHN. If anyone has data to contradict this please post.
Originally Posted by wastedwhiteboy2
11-20-2004 06:51 PM
Do you like option 3 because you have reason to believe it will work or just because you are interested in finding out if it will work or not? I am pretty curious myself and would like to do everybody a solid by trying it out but If I get enough negative feedback then there is no reason for me to try it out.
Originally Posted by TheManGuy
Thanks for the post
11-21-2004 01:03 AM
I don't think MOHN is going to do much on it's own even at high doses. I know from one person that subbing the 4-ad for 30 mgs MOHN as mentioned in option 1 was a great lean bulk. I tihnk he said he gained 5.5 lbs total body weight and lost 3-4 pounds of fat. I don't know if he did any clen or trimax tho. I get a lot of bloat from 4ad as did my friend so I told him to try and switch the 4-ad with mohn to combat the lethargy of the 1-test. Of course this will reduced your gains but subbing the mohn in option ! should give you a nice lean bulk and help reduce some bf. Or just throw in some Superdrol in option 1 and have a killer stack.
11-21-2004 01:31 PM
Thats my point, everyone thinks m4ohn will be weak. If it's so weak then why has nobody tried and proven it?? If you have powder it's not very expensive.
I think m-dien is very simelair to winstrol. would you do 100mg winstrol only and expect a big recomp? Would still be interesting though.
M-4ohn is also very mild, so even at 100mg ed it should be quite harmless, where as 40mg m-dien could be compareble to m1t's toxisity.
Plus option 1 is boring!
Please try no3, you can add other non methyls if you wanna improve the cycle further. Stuff you've done before perhaps, so you know what to expect.
I actually felt m4ohn at 15mg a day at 250lb's, nothing major, but I could feel a definate differance.
btw, where are you at now? bf%, lean weight etc and what bf% are you aiming for?
11-25-2004 09:03 PM
Well, which one did you decide on? Has anyone tried Scifits 10mg MDien capsules? I was thinking of doing a 20mg 8 week cycle myself.
11-25-2004 10:55 PM
Sorry to disappoint
I decided on the old boring reliable 1-test/4ad/4oht transdermal. To make it a little more exciting I'm going to go with a phlojel for a carrier. I need to get on something that I know for sure is going to work for sure. I would say more of the things I read about m4ohn the worse and it's hard to find any good info about mdien at the dosages I want to run. Most of the feedback is from the days wher people were running 4-6mg a day.
11-25-2004 11:00 PM
Sly, I saw in an old post of yours you ran mdien and didn't like it. What was your dosage?
11-26-2004 01:31 PM
I ran 6mg ed of Gaspari's Mdien for 4 weeks I think it was. It didn't do much of anything for me. M1T didn't do anything for me either untill I hit 30mg then, WOW! So I am thinking of giving Mdien another shot at a higher dosage.
Originally Posted by BAD_MO_FO
11-26-2004 02:08 PM
I had the exact same experience with M1T as you. I actuall just got done writing about it in the m1t reference thread. I hate that garbage. Does regular old 1-test work for you? At what dose?
11-26-2004 04:59 PM
Transdermal 1-Test did good for me. I did the max dosages of Avant's ONE+ 12 squirts and BDC's 1-Test. Transdermals are such a pain though especially when you have children. I love M1T, I just load up on ECY to combat lethargy.
Originally Posted by BAD_MO_FO
11-27-2004 02:40 AM
Bad_Mo_Fo, how about adding the m4ohn to the transdermal cycle? It's the only methyl and that way you can check the toxicity and be sure to get great results anyway.
Youve done the 1t/4ad cycle before right? So you'll know what to expect and know anything extra is the m4ohn.
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