Brand New... and very confused... just need some simple input

[UnderXero]

First cycle run 8 weeks of Andromass, stack with Androhard or AndroEnhance, or Androbulk.

They're the most simple with the least sides and you don't need any cycle support and blah blah blah plus the dosing is the easiest too.

You should gain between 10 to 20 lbs if it's ur first ph, your diet and training will obviously maximize results.

And you can get their OTC pct they sell ask one of the reps for a discount code lol

[jbryand101b]

First cycle run 8 weeks of Andromass, stack with Androhard or AndroEnhance, or Androbulk.

They're the most simple with the least sides and you don't need any cycle support and blah blah blah plus the dosing is the easiest too.

You should gain between 10 to 20 lbs if it's ur first ph, your diet and training will obviously maximize results.

And you can get their OTC pct they sell ask one of the reps for a discount code lol

You still need cycle support. You do know steroids are bad for you right?

8 week cycle, 10-20lbs, AND OTC pct, sounds like a dream come true.
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt a pp rep is going to condone stacking andromass with anything for 8 weeks and going with an OTC pct.
Wtf.

[ThunderHumper]

yea theres no need to stack androbulk with anything, its already 4-dhea and nordhea. and a primordial rep will get you a 25% discount code if you buy their otc pct, but bulk2012 is for the bogo androbulk.

and dont expect 10-20 lbs, expect something more realistic like 5-10lbs, maybe higher. expecting dream like results will just leave you disapointed

and you should run cycle assist throughout the cycle. the stuff isnt liver toxic, but it can have negative side effects on prostate, or lipids

[srb2112]

so no need for PES anabeta? or even APE?

[technique88]

you really need to slow your roll, and read the stickies.

after that it's simple

2 bottles of andromass for 8 weeks
2 bottles of elite labs halo for 6 weeks.

clomid for 4 weeks at 50mg e/d.
erase pro starting week 3 of the clomid.
pct assist

cycle assist & inhibit p during cycle

if money isn't an option, this is an ideal cycle for anyone, 1rst time or w/e.

Andromass and halo would an awesome first cycle so listen to this^^^^

I ran hdrol and andro hard my first cycle and loved it.

[srb2112]

Andromass and halo would an awesome first cycle so listen to this^^^^

I ran hdrol and andro hard my first cycle and loved it.

Not androbulk? what about androbulk and hdrol?

[technique88]

Not androbulk? what about androbulk and hdrol?

That would be an interesting stack indeed.

The andro series fit nicely into any cycle because of their non toxicity and the different types.rhey would also make a great cycle stand alone if you are going for the safest route. I've included the andro series into every cycle I ran.

[ThunderHumper]

op, youre gonna get a thousand diffent ideas if you listn to everybody. thats why you need to do your own research and make your own decision on what you want to run. if you incude any oral other than a dhea derivitive, youre gonna need a serm too

[technique88]

Not androbulk? what about androbulk and hdrol?

If you have the money and war the safest, I'd say get yourself and androbulk/ andro hard stack. The andro hard would be a great DHT base for keeping things hard and keeping any 19nor sides at bay. Although I highly doubt androbulk would create 19nor sides.

[srb2112]

would the andromass help minimize fat gain? or would androbulk help?

[ThunderHumper]

fat gain is gonna be reliant on diet. dnt worry about fat gain too much though, you can always cut after pct. take advantage of the cycle while youre on

[srb2112]

fat gain is gonna be reliant on diet. dnt worry about fat gain too much though, you can always cut after pct. take advantage of the cycle while youre on

Diet will be very strict.... i will probably eat to maintence ONLY no more.... high protein, mild carbs and low fat....

[srb2112]

Should I take Creatine along with this stack?

[technique88]

Should I take Creatine along with this stack?

You could take creatine anytime. Some people are always taking creatine, it couldn't help. You should definitely eat above maintainance for better gains. Just eat clean.

[UnderXero]

You still need cycle support. You do know steroids are bad for you right?

8 week cycle, 10-20lbs, AND OTC pct, sounds like a dream come true.
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt a pp rep is going to condone stacking andromass with anything for 8 weeks and going with an OTC pct.
Wtf.

Well I gained 15 lbs on AM for 8 weeks and kept it with their OTC PCT. I even gained 2 lbs in PCT lol

I don't see the point for a cycle support with them, I had no blood pressure issues, no acne, wasn't lethargic, and my libido was perfect during the cycle and off it.

[technique88]

Well I gained 15 lbs on AM for 8 weeks and kept it with their OTC PCT. I even gained 2 lbs in PCT lol

I don't see the point for a cycle support with them, I had no blood pressure issues, no acne, wasn't lethargic, and my libido was perfect during the cycle and off it.

That's the beauty of andro series products, they maye expensive but you'd spend a lot on puppets for the harsher PHs

[srb2112]

For my PCT would you recommend fenugreek, PES Erase Pro,Nolvadren-XT, and/or PES anabeta and cycle armour?

[technique88]

For my PCT would you recommend fenugreek, PES Erase Pro,Nolvadren-XT, and/or PES anabeta and cycle armour?

Are you using a methyl or not? If you are you need to throw in a serm. Keep pct simple, get some intimidate, erase, and you could even throw in anabeta ( I am and thoroughly loving it). Don't forget nolva, clomid, or torem.

[Icandoanythin]

Are the side affects reversible?

[Icandoanythin]

What's otc? Over the counter?