Starting H Drol Cycle today

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mstupar60 View Post
    Are you saying that since Hdrol is mild you just did PCT assist and DAA only as a PCT? because I am trying to complete my PCT regimine right now so that I could order my SERM, I have my buddy's SERM on hand just in case but will get mine by the beginning of next week
    Yes I did. I've done both methods of pct, the OTC and the SERM route. Both have their place depending on the user and the hormone. I'm familiar enough with me body and recovery to know when I should use a SERM. Chose what route you think is best for you, but if you do choose OTC, then make sure you have a SERM on hand just in case. It's always better to be prepared.
    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Im actually about two week post PCT from Hdrol with Nolva/DAA and half dose PCT Assist for PCT. When i get the results back i will post them up . Also have bloodwork from about 2 months before cycle
    That would be awesome. I got some PCT Assist stashed away for my next run.
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  2. I gotta read up on PHAT.

    Always good to have a SERM on hand even if you feel safe enough going OTC. Why risk it?
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  3. I agree with all of you, but I think I'm just going to take my SERM no matter what because it helps you keep your gains, and just to be in the safe side. thanks for all the information everyone! Really is appreciated

  4. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    I gotta read up on PHAT.

    Always good to have a SERM on hand even if you feel safe enough going OTC. Why risk it?
    I'm loving PHAT. My compound lifts have gone up and I've been making gains. Follow the template and change it how you see fit. I've been following your thread, you'd prob enjoy it.

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    check your training routine..your wearing your bis and tris out the day before chest/back/shoulders. you've dedicated a single day to the smallest muscle groups, yet group chest/back/shoulders together. this may hinder your gains. this is just my suggestion
    What he said..arms shouldn't even be a priority as you will hit them with your compound push/pull lifts
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mstupar60 View Post
    Are you saying that since Hdrol is mild you just did PCT assist and DAA only as a PCT? because I am trying to complete my PCT regimine right now so that I could order my SERM, I have my buddy's SERM on hand just in case but will get mine by the beginning of next week
    There are lierally thousands of people that have used OTC PCT for Hdrol(50-75) and recovered fine so it is an option. There just isnt as many AI options as there was 4-5 years ago

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    There are lierally thousands of people that have used OTC PCT for Hdrol(50-75) and recovered fine so it is an option. There just isnt as many AI options as there was 4-5 years ago
    Epic Labs Rezurrect is solid for this. They're coming around more.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by WarriorMp
    Here's a quick look at SERMs...

    Nolva is especially good for fighting gyno and estrogen sides...

    Clomid is especially good for getting your boys back on track...

    If you have an AI on hand for PCT, go with the Clomid. But sense HDrol is mild, Nolva will work too. You will get some shutdown, but nothing near to what you would get from SD...
    Clomid raises shbg and lowers igf1. Which means gains are a no go unless its fat. Same with nolva. They are both an AI. Nolva is better for gyno because it stops binding to the breast. They both raise lh production.
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  9. So what about straight tamoxifen? I knew about the above two but whats the difference with nolva to tamoxifen or torem?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    So what about straight tamoxifen? I knew about the above two but whats the difference with nolva to tamoxifen or torem?
    Nolvadex=tamoxifen citrate, just like Alleve=sodium naproxen

  11. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    So what about straight tamoxifen? I knew about the above two but whats the difference with nolva to tamoxifen or torem?
    Like above poster said, tamox=nolva. Torem (toremifene citrate) was based off of nolva and designed to have less sides IIRC. I've tried them all and like torem the best.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt

    Clomid raises shbg and lowers igf1. Which means gains are a no go unless its fat. Same with nolva. They are both an AI. Nolva is better for gyno because it stops binding to the breast. They both raise lh production.
    What can be the reason for the lean mass gains that various users report having?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Like above poster said, tamox=nolva. Torem (toremifene citrate) was based off of nolva and designed to have less sides IIRC. I've tried them all and like torem the best.
    Thats what I figured knowing Nolva and Torem were bascaly analogues of Tamox... just wondering if there was any significant difference in sides. Thanks for the clarification.
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  14. Hey guys sorry I have not posted in a while, I have been very busy. But so far I am up a pound and a half, no side effects, and don't feel much difference in the gym. Today is day 6 so I am hoping I finally start feeling the pump in the gym. I do have a question though, my friend is also doing the h drol and he is complaining about his balls hurting, I have not really had that problem, and if i did it was only for a bit. He takes walmart brand fish oil and I am taking the omega complex from *** which is purified 5x. Could his balls hurt because he is taking a generic brand fish oil?

  15. People can experience soreness in their testicles during PCT. Not sure why his are hurting now. Hopefully someone here knows, I'm curious as well.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ponysteak
    People can experience soreness in their testicles during PCT. Not sure why his are hurting now. Hopefully someone here knows, I'm curious as well.
    Someone else told me that and I didn't know what to make of it.
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  17. Since beginning pct my left testicle has been sore. Not the right one though. Dunno what that means.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ponysteak
    Since beginning pct my left testicle has been sore. Not the right one though. Dunno what that means.
    Unless its last over a month I wouldn't worry too much. It's happened to me a few times and after a few weeks it levelled out

  19. alright, I will let him know, but you guys dont think it has anything to do with taking in healthy fats? because my buddy ran super drol different friend and he said his balls hurt real bad until he started taking the omega complex? weird... and what do you guys think of taking a scoop of the new jack3d today for pre workout? I have been struggling in the gym with no pwo. I know you are not suppose to but I have had no sides and I was taking 3 scoops before i went on the cycle..so im assuming 1 wouldnt kill me?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mstupar60
    Hey guys sorry I have not posted in a while, I have been very busy. But so far I am up a pound and a half, no side effects, and don't feel much difference in the gym. Today is day 6 so I am hoping I finally start feeling the pump in the gym. I do have a question though, my friend is also doing the h drol and he is complaining about his balls hurting, I have not really had that problem, and if i did it was only for a bit. He takes walmart brand fish oil and I am taking the omega complex from *** which is purified 5x. Could his balls hurt because he is taking a generic brand fish oil?
    No. Makes no sense.
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  21. Balls are hurting due to suppression

  22. Quote Originally Posted by mstupar60
    alright, I will let him know, but you guys dont think it has anything to do with taking in healthy fats? because my buddy ran super drol different friend and he said his balls hurt real bad until he started taking the omega complex? weird... and what do you guys think of taking a scoop of the new jack3d today for pre workout? I have been struggling in the gym with no pwo. I know you are not suppose to but I have had no sides and I was taking 3 scoops before i went on the cycle..so im assuming 1 wouldnt kill me?
    Watch your blood pressure but otherwise its okay. You should take a break every 4 weeks from stims though for long term heart and adrenal health
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  23. So what's your diet like through this run?
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  24. ehh, I think that it has not been that great because I did gain a pound or 2 but not im back to 182. I eat high protein, high carb usually.oatmeal with a protein shake in the morning, or protein shake 2 eggs 4 pieces of toast and 5 sausage links.sometimes i will eat half a frozen pizza after my workout maybe alittle bit more always with a shake as well. I ordered 60 lbs of chicken so i want wait to get that. Other things I eat is rice with jalapenos, protein bars because they are so high in carbs and rice cakes.

  25. Does anyone know how I can get to privacy settings so I can upload my pictures that I have been trying to upload for almost a week now.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mstupar60
    ehh, I think that it has not been that great because I did gain a pound or 2 but not im back to 182. I eat high protein, high carb usually.oatmeal with a protein shake in the morning, or protein shake 2 eggs 4 pieces of toast and 5 sausage links.sometimes i will eat half a frozen pizza after my workout maybe alittle bit more always with a shake as well. I ordered 60 lbs of chicken so i want wait to get that. Other things I eat is rice with jalapenos, protein bars because they are so high in carbs and rice cakes.
    Do you know how many calories you take in?
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  27. about 3000 give or take, I wanted to gain 10 to 15 pounds, but have changed my goals. I want to get a little bigger but lean out a ton. My only problem with that is I don't know how many calories to eat when on hdrol to lean, because you are always so hungry and from what i know/heard your metabolism is through the roof.

  28. 2680 calories for the day, 284 grams of carbs, and 195 grams of protein today! Ending my night with a casein shake. Lifts were great today, I did upper body and I finally felt like a monster. I was in the gym for an hour and a half and I did not feel like leaving. Excited to hit week 2 on Wednesday and pump up to 75 mg's. so far no sides except for the fact that my body is really warm once in awhile. Have a good night everyone!

  29. I know i already asked this but I am getting really frusterated. I want to upload before pics and it says that I have to go to privacy settings to disable something however, I do not know where that is.. Can anyone help ?

  30. Hey everyone, I feel like my pecs have gotten bigger (might just be from lifting), my nipples do not itch but look kinda puffy. I am about 2 weeks into my cycle. What do I do? it might not be GYNO but i want to be 100% sure. Do i stop my cycle and start taking nolva immediately?
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