Preload & PCT questions
- 09-26-2012, 07:40 PM
Preload & PCT questions
Going to run an HDrol cycle 50/75/75/75/100/100. Questions:
-Is it necessary to pre load cycle assist, or just hawthorn berry & milk thistle? If just the HB & MT, what is the dosing and extract needed?
-For PCT, do I run PCT Assist and Cycle Assist, or just the PCT Assist, or PCT Assist w/ HB & MT?
- 09-26-2012, 10:06 PM
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09-27-2012, 12:09 AM
I wouls run liver xt or cycle assist from your run to your pct. For pct i would reccommend a serm or a steong otc pct. Then after that i taper into natty products like bulbine and other nattt boostersOriginally Posted by uvawahoowa
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09-27-2012, 01:17 AM
i would do more homework because a single otc pct prodcut doesnt cut it. at least get a good otc pct regiment if youre going to go that route
09-27-2012, 06:41 AM
This is not all I'm running for pct, going clomid 100/50/50/50 daa erase. Just had a specific question about support supps
09-27-2012, 06:42 AM
09-27-2012, 10:52 AM
ok got you, make sure to say that in the op. run cycle assist through pct because clomid is also liver toxic. and the reason you preload is because hawthorne berry gives you an initial bp spike. ph's also give an initial bp spike. 1 + 1 = head explosion. get the picture?
09-27-2012, 11:16 AM
Gotcha, so I will preload only hawthorn berry 1.8% at the same dosing schedule as in cycle assist, then run cycle assist during the cycle, and run pct assist and cycle assist (along with all the other pct goodies) during pct.Originally Posted by ThunderHumper
Cycle assist, pct assist, and helladrol are in the mail. Already have erase and daa, just need to pick up hawthorn berry and clomid.
One more question, I have 2 bottles cycle assist on the way, but by my math that will only last 8 weeks and cycle+pct is 10 weeks. Should I pick up another bottle of cycle assist or switch over to HB+MT once cycle assist runs out?
09-27-2012, 02:36 PM
honestly thats your choice if you want to spend the extra cash or not. personally, id buy 3 more so id have 2.5 bottles left for the next cycle.
i also buy aisports nutrition cycle stack though. if you order range flavor cycle assist, you get 20% more perbottle. the stack comes withi 2 cycle assists and 1 pct assist $100. a rep can get you a 30% off coupon too, badass deal if you ask me
09-27-2012, 02:39 PM
and i forgot to add that if youre only preloading hawthorne, make sure you by hawthorne berry extract
09-27-2012, 04:17 PM
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09-27-2012, 07:44 PM
Hawthorne Berry in conjunction with Celery Ceed Extract is a good combination, one of the reasons we include it in Cycle Assist.
For an even bigger impact on BP, little know fact that Agmatine is a great vasodilator. Here's the citation:
Agmatine: a novel endogenous vasodilator substance.
Gao Y, Gumusel B, Koves G, Prasad A, Hao Q, Hyman A, Lippton H.
Department of Surgery, Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans, LA 70112, USA.
The purpose of the study was to investigate the effects of agmatine, an endogenous clonidine-displacing substance (CDS), on systemic hemodynamics in the anesthetized rat. Bolus intravenous (i.v.) injections of agmatine decreased systemic arterial pressure (SAP) and systemic vascular resistance in a dose-dependent manner. The development of acute tachyphylaxis to the systemic vasodepressor response to agmatine did not induce cross-tachyphylaxis to the systemic vasodepressor responses to bradykinin, isoproterenol and nitroglycerin. The present data demonstrate agmatine, as a CDS and agonist for imidazoline (I) receptors, possesses marked systemic vasodilator activity in the rat. The present data suggest that activation of I receptors may represent a novel mechanism of vasodilation in vivo.
Now, obviously intravenous for rats will not be oral for human doses, but there is a remedy. We can extrapolate that somewhere around 3-5g of Agmatine will produce the desired effect. Best thing would be to start around 2 or 3 grams of Agmatine and monitor BP. If you need more, take more, but do not exceed 5g.
09-28-2012, 09:48 AM
09-28-2012, 12:41 PM
For celery seed? All I've seen so far are 75 mg caps, and the all-in-one products all seem to provide around 150 mg a day.Originally Posted by Nickype
10-03-2012, 03:05 PM
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