Testicular Atrophy

[jneutron]

On day 18 of an epistane cylce. I planned to go for 5 weeks, but today I noticed roughly 25% testicular atrophy. How should I react to this? Should I end my cycle early or what?

 

[AngryOldMan]

If you have a SERM and no other major symptoms, I'd say keep going. I had comparable atrophy on my cycle. I recovered just fine with a SERM.

 

[jimbuick]

On day 18 of an epistane cylce. I planned to go for 5 weeks, but today I noticed roughly 25% testicular atrophy. How should I react to this? Should I end my cycle early or what?

Testicular atrophy is to be expected when adding external androgens into your body. Its just because you are not producing your own testosterone as you are ingesting it, keep driving on and it should all take care of itself after a full PCT.

 

[heavylifter33]

On day 18 of an epistane cylce. I planned to go for 5 weeks, but today I noticed roughly 25% testicular atrophy. How should I react to this? Should I end my cycle early or what?

If you had done more research you would have been prepared for that.

Atrophy happens when your body reacts to exogenous testosterone. Not too much to worry about for a short oral cycle. With proper PCT and time off you'll be back to normal.

 

[jimbuick]

If you had done more research you would have been prepared for that.

Atrophy happens when your body reacts to exogenous testosterone. Not too much to worry about for a short oral cycle. With proper PCT and time off you'll be back to normal.

I figured I would let the obvious lack of research go.

 

[heavylifter33]

I figured I would let the obvious lack of research go.

I have no problem being the ******* reminding people to pull their head out of ass and do more research

 

[jneutron]

Thanks for the input guys, I guess all carry on as long as all else is okay.
I do have a full PCT on hand, Nolva, Revolution black, and Beast Super Test.

 

[fame126]

Thanks for the input guys, I guess all carry on as long as all else is okay.
I do have a full PCT on hand, Nolva, Revolution black, and Beast Super Test.

what happens if you still have atrophy after pct? my guys haven't come back yet i feel like an 11 yr old

 

[antmike]

Have you done a full pct?

 

[fame126]

yes, im reading that hcg might work. any thoughts

 

[fame126]

yes, im reading that hcg might work. any thoughts

it's been about 2 weeks after a 4 week pct with tamox erase and daa

 

[EatMoar]

You shouldn't need hcg, time , a serm and patience heals all. Its just epi as well, if it was test I would incorporate hcg to kick off pct but epi, no.

 

[fame126]

You shouldn't need hcg, time , a serm and patience heals all. Its just epi as well, if it was test I would incorporate hcg to kick off pct but epi, no.

it's been a total of 6 weeks since last epi dose! how much longer should one wait?

 

[EatMoar]

it's been a total of 6 weeks since last epi dose! how much longer should one wait?

What did you run for pct?

 

[fame126]

What did you run for pct?

tamox erase and daa and pctx3 by vital labs

 

[EatMoar]

tamox erase and daa and pctx3 by vital labs

Interesting, 4 weeks I'm guessing as well? Maybe you're tamox was bunk. I say let time heal you. You could try to stack data/Abe/erase if you wanted to try to increase your natural testosterone production. But time would be a better healer.

 

[fame126]

can i dose tamox again. this time from a different company?

 

[antmike]

I would use small doses of hcg at first sign of atrophy of any cycle but I'm far from an expert

 

[antmike]

How's your libido?

 

[fame126]

How's your libido?

not there at all. i mean i can still get and hold wood just dont really want to lol

 

[FranARG]

While on Epi I had a pretty noticeable test atrophy..But after a few days of PCT my boys went back to normal.
Try clomid, since it is better than tamox for restoring HPTA.

 

[antmike]

Get blood work

 

[fame126]

anyone else wanna give advise please

 

[Massiah]

anyone else wanna give advise please

Listen to the guy saying get blood work. Find out what's going on inside. Clomid and hcg should help, but bloods first. IMO blood's should be done prior, mid, and end of cycle at the very least.

 

[fame126]

i think im gonna first try a test booster and some zma what should i look for in a test booster. i tried daa already so please dont recommend

 

[FranARG]

I have tried lots of test boosters as stand alone products. So far, the best was Gamma-O, from Gamma Labs. I do not know why it is no popular, but it sure did its work for me. Despite that, it is not as strong as a PH, by far..

 

[nelson44bears]

Listen to everyone else, get bloodwork done. Find the source so you can take the correct steps to fix the problem, rather than throwing a cocktail of supplemental sh*t into your body that could possibly just perpetuate the problem. In order to fix it, you gotta know whats causing it! Also, it can be rather counter-productive to run an AI after running a dry compound. In fact, it may have caused some of your problems.

 

[jerrysiii]

For bloodwork you want to look at LH and FSH. These are what tell the testes to do their job.

Could try a couple days of clomid at 100. This is used as a good kick start in some PCTs.

 

[fame126]

For bloodwork you want to look at LH and FSH. These are what tell the testes to do their job.

Could try a couple days of clomid at 100. This is used as a good kick start in some PCTs.

i m going to dr to get a referral to see an endo this week

 

[heavylifter33]

Honestly i wouldn't even bother seeing a doctor. Let time heal this. I am guessing that some of this is simply in your head.

 

[fame126]

Better safe than sorry i guess. it's already scheduled

 

[FranARG]

Clomid does a better job in telling your boys to start working again.I would go like this:Clomid 100/100/50/50Nolva 20/20/10/10But make sure you are getting good stuff..

 

[fame126]

so.... they don't have an opening for a week, then afte that i would probably hve to wait another week to get in with referral from doc. fuk it ima take and bulbine zma and real clomid for 2 weeks

 

[pappybay]

yes, im reading that hcg might work. any thoughts

I am a rookie compared to the other posters here but I can tell you from personal experience the HCG works when you are TRT at 180-200 MGs per week. My scrotum went from pre-puberty size back to normal within three weeks. I am on 500 IU's X2 per week.

 

[fame126]

I am a rookie compared to the other posters here but I can tell you from personal experience the HCG works when you are TRT at 180-200 MGs per week. My scrotum went from pre-puberty size back to normal within three weeks. I am on 500 IU's X2 per week.

how long do you have to continue with it? till scrotum is back to normal size and then it's ok to stop hcg?

 

[fame126]

probably everthing you could want to know about hcg and everthing else here.
http://basskilleronline.com/post-cycle-therapy.shtml

very nice i will rep u when i get to a computer

 

[jbryand101b]

it's been a total of 6 weeks since last epi dose! how much longer should one wait?

I like to run pct program for at least 8 weeks.

 

[pappybay]

A good informational post.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/218008-what-hcg-4.html

 

[gymrat99]

very nice i will rep u when i get to a computer

bro I now people told you not to worry but when your nutz are small and sh!t you worry. I also did not recover fully after my cycle and it was not epi... I went to see my doctor and he said give it 3-4 months they will recover back to normal. Just don't take anything he told me. I continued to take test boosters and my nutz are hanging like before. like everyone said, give it time... your body needs time to recover. Keep us posted if you go to doctor.

 

[fame126]

bro I now people told you not to worry but when your nutz are small and sh!t you worry. I also did not recover fully after my cycle and it was not epi... I went to see my doctor and he said give it 3-4 months they will recover back to normal. Just don't take anything he told me. I continued to take test boosters and my nutz are hanging like before. like everyone said, give it time... your body needs time to recover. Keep us posted if you go to doctor.

best news I've heard so far thank you!! i wouldn't be able to see a dr. for at least a cpl weeks they are backed up so i went and bought some bulbine and zma and ill take that and wait it out.

 

[nelson44bears]

did you use sodium daa?? That is what was used in studies that showed to increase test

 

[pappybay]

how long do you have to continue with it? till scrotum is back to normal size and then it's ok to stop hcg?

I am on TRT so I have to take HCG permanently. I am not an experience cycle guy so I would yield to others on the forum.

 

[fame126]

just to let everyone know sns bulbine and zma speed up testicular atrophy!!! im about 2 weeks into it and my boys are finally starting to do their thing. i would post before and after pics but.........

 

[flightposite]

just to let everyone know sns bulbine and zma speed up testicular atrophy!!! im about 2 weeks into it and my boys are finally starting to do their thing. i would post before and after pics but.........

Atrophy? Did you mean hypertrophy or are you saying your balls are shrinking.

 

[fame126]

Atrophy? Did you mean hypertrophy or are you saying your balls are shrinking.

atrophy i believe. they had a little shrinkage and i believe when they shrink they "suck up" in you