SERM really necessary with Halodrol? first cycle please help

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  1. SERM really necessary with Halodrol? first cycle please help


    hey guys. okay basically this is my first ph cycle. the plan thus far is.....

    Halodrol (cel p-mag, purus halovar, mr supps helladrol, havent decided yet, shouldnt make a difference)
    - dosed 50/75/75/75

    cel cycle assist 6 a day while on cycle only.

    revolution pct black as pct/t booster.

    im getting ALOT of mixed info on this. some people say im insane for not using nolva or something of the like, and then some laugh when i ask if i should use nolva because they say halodrol is so weak (in comparison to superdrol or others) that it doesnt need anything that strong. please help.

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  2. really could use some help guys.
    just wanna know if i am being dangerous NOT using a serm, even at the relatively low dose and short period im at

  3. need help guys. please

  4. 4 weeks is not long enough for halodrol. And yes, you need a SERM. It's not worth the risk to me, a SERM is cheap.
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  5. so say 6 weeks at maybe 50/50/75/75/75/75 ? and well my conflict is the manner of getting it. which im not asking how i know how. it just seems like a problem waiting to happen to me ya know

  6. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828
    so say 6 weeks at maybe 50/50/75/75/75/75 ? and well my conflict is the manner of getting it. which im not asking how i know how. it just seems like a problem waiting to happen to me ya know
    How would it be a problem and your dosage looks fine and YES use a serm
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  7. I don't understand. Why can't you get a SERM? Don't run halodrol if you don't wanna use a SERM.

  8. sorry, but the original 4 week dosage or the 6 week dosage? and well its just the legal issue of possesing a script drug without a script, and making sure youre really ordering from a research facility as opposed to something illegal

  9. why is it that (and im not disputing anything anyones said so far) soooo many people say its not even kinda necessary with halo, and then others act as if ill literally turn into a woman without it?

  10. and what problems am i facing using otc pct as opposed to serm

  11. It is so cheap, is it worth the risk? I would rather spend a few dollars than a few thousand. You are stubborn and don't care what people say. Your mind is made up. Obviously. So do what you want. Hope you don't regret things.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by TheGnome View Post
    It is so cheap, is it worth the risk? I would rather spend a few dollars than a few thousand. You are stubborn and don't care what people say. Your mind is made up. Obviously. So do what you want. Hope you don't regret things.
    i dont mean to come off as stubborn. my apologies. i just like learning so i ask alot of questions instead of being led like a dog. im just trying to figure out why with a compound as relatively weak and mild as halo, and one thats extremely unlikely to have any estrogenic after effects (puffy nipples, gyno, hair loss ((not estrogenic i know)) and stuff like that) i NEED a serm. i mean yes under the logic of better safe than sorry a serm should be used after a cycle of freakin d aspartic acid. its not the money. i just am asking whether i NEED it.

  13. dude do a 5 weeker 50/50/75/75/75 it's your first cycle.
    getting serm, Google research chemicals. hell there's a RC company that advertises here on AM.
    clomid 150/100/50/50.

  14. for more info on pct go to the pct section.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012
    dude do a 5 weeker 50/50/75/75/75 it's your first cycle.
    getting serm, Google research chemicals. hell there's a RC company that advertises here on AM.
    clomid 150/100/50/50.
    Being Halo is mild, 150 seems a lil high. 100 is plenty to start... 100/75/50/25

  16. Quote Originally Posted by WarriorMp

    Being Halo is mild, 150 seems a lil high. 100 is plenty to start... 100/75/50/25
    that would work also.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    that would work also.
    guys ive already been negged for evidently 'asking questions", so sorry if i seem arguementative, i dont mean to and im NOT disputing you, its just like okay, why when i read EVERY arcticle you can get your hands on about steroid profiles they almost laugh at halodrols mild ness and say the ONLY known sides are hepatoxicity (duh) and back pumps (double duh) ??? every sticky i can find on here and most other reputable forums (excluding bb because they are anti ph ) say the same thing. why is it when i ask around in the forums i get blasted for going along with that information and told im crazy for not using a serm? (not that u guys blasted me, just a figure of speech)

  18. hdrol will shut you down, probably not as much as harsher ph, but otc won't kick start your hpta like a serm nor will otc fight any potential gyno from developing and otc wont save your gains like a serm, imo use a serm and otc together,
    its better to be safe, and have everything covered.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    hdrol will shut you down, probably not as much as harsher ph, but otc won't kick start your hpta like a serm nor will otc fight any potential gyno from developing and otc wont save your gains like a serm, imo use a serm and otc together,
    its better to be safe, and have everything covered.
    one last quetion and ill leave you alone. have you ever heard of osta rx? its an otc SARM as opposed to a prescription serm. its just the legal thing man thats ALL it is. im not exactly comfortable putting my credit card out to a research co (such as the one advertised in the banner on a minds) because of the legal issue. because the stuff is still illegal to posess no? in usa of course.

  20. When people are saying you need a SERM for Halodrol its to not only prevent the negative symptoms of a PH but also to help you keep the gains you make while on cycle. Halodrol will most likely shut down your natural test production or lower it dramatically. While on it your estrogen levels will rise along with your Test levels. When you come off this means your test levels will plumet and your estrogen will slowly go down. Estrogen = bad. SERMS help block estrogen receptors preventing you from getting gyno and help you to get your test levels back to normal. The faster you get your test levels back to normal the more gains you will keep.

    If anything I have said is alil off guys feel free to correct it. SERMS are NEEDED for halo period, it is a PH.

    The whole better to be safe than sorry thing is said because the side effects if your PCT goes wrong is way worse than just getting the SERM.

    And as far as OTC

    DAA + Erase/Erase Pro
    Erase is better IMO because you can taper off of it. unlike Erase Pro.

  21. illegal to use on humans not your lab rats. I wouldn't worry about that, almost all of us if not all , have purchased RCs . I haven't heard that some feds came to their door and apprehended them for testing the chems on their lab rats.

  22. If you dont wanna use a Serm... dont take steroids.

    On my FIRST pct... Nolva/Hcgenerate..... cheaper than any OTC PCTs I have found, more effective and virtually guaranteed results.

    You want your natty test as high as possible as fast as possible to keep your gains, avoid breastfeeding and gettin love handles.

    If you dont wanna use a serm, go buy AndroHard, its still a steroid just not very supressive and this you WONT need a serm with, OTC with Androhard V3 and you wont have problems.

    I stacked AH with Epi so do need Serm same as if it was Hdrol.

    Btw, I dont think its illegal for you to own a prescription drug it is a controlled drug not an illegal drug.

    Ure in the US ? Order it from the US... it wont be checked by customs and you will get it.

  23. True that. To be honest, if you have a good relationship with your doctor, you can let him know you have been using a legal prohormone and that you need the Clomid or Nolva to prevent gyno, known a few guys that have done that. That way all your bases are covered and you have nothing to worry about

  24. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828
    one last quetion and ill leave you alone. have you ever heard of osta rx? its an otc SARM as opposed to a prescription serm. its just the legal thing man thats ALL it is. im not exactly comfortable putting my credit card out to a research co (such as the one advertised in the banner on a minds) because of the legal issue. because the stuff is still illegal to posess no? in usa of course.
    Negative on the research chem. There is no legality issue. It is not illegal to purchase or possess. You're in the clear on that. As far as osta, some people have been using as a part of PTC, but in addition to a SERM, not in place of it.
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