Orals: single dosing vs. spreadout

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jerrysiii

    How much sd are you taking? If only 10mg, first thing in the morning may make sense to help with suppression. This probably wouldn't work with a greater dose. For 20mg, I'd take it all pre-workout.
    I'm doing 10/20/20/30


  2. Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    So more research needs to be done on dosing all day, .. if u ever did SD and dose 30mgs all at once you would feel some anxiety and sort of blurred vision, increased blood pressure, that's what happened to me, its very toxic you know, also it made me feel high and real horny too lol. so I split my dose up.
    mmmmmmmmm.....i like the high and horny part of it.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    With a compound with reasonable half life), soon after regular dosing you achieve steady peak levels (with a compound with reasonable half life).

    The post that you quoted has no merit aside from the two reputable names. Name dropping does not make it any less or more valid. Data is valid.

    Additionally, you have misquoted Easy. He stated "it depends" and "I think dosing orals all at once is better." His anecdotal evidence doesn't persuade me either way.

    Here is some food for thought for you and your discussion. Suppose single dose is better. Would I dose before or after my workout and why or why not?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    it can cause insomnia , i never got it though. but you know we all respond differently
    That what I'm dealing with on my current cycle going to a split dose actually has made it better first dose at 6:30 am second dose at 2:00 pm and the insomnia is less than both at 6:30.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME
    That what I'm dealing with on my current cycle going to a split dose actually has made it better first dose at 6:30 am second dose at 2:00 pm and the insomnia is less than both at 6:30.
    cool, NADDANME, If it works for you, keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilzekester View Post
    Get off my d!ck.
    Is that all, or is there more?
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

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  7. From experience I'll say 50mg of var at once gave me a headache and spiked my bp a lot but splitting it up 30/20 helped with that aspect as for gains I have no idea...I'm sure the steady stream of test E has my bases covered when it comes to blood levels
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    From experience I'll say 50mg of var at once gave me a headache and spiked my bp a lot but splitting it up 30/20 helped with that aspect as for gains I have no idea...I'm sure the steady stream of test E has my bases covered when it comes to blood levels
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilzekester View Post
    Get off my d!ck.
    Anything more from you little girl and I'll escort you from the the dance the way you arrived...alone. Am I clear?
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    Anything more from you little girl and I'll escort you from the the dance the way you arrived...alone. Am I clear?
    Sounds like a Clint Eastwood movie line
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Anything more from you little girl and I'll escort you from the the dance the way you arrived...alone. Am I clear?
    Drop your wierd obsession with me--it's unbecoming. However, I digress.

  12. Sub'd for the final verdict... next thing ya know I'm gunna have to break out a mirror and a razor blade to divide up my 10mg SD caps.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MonsterTruckr
    Sub'd for the final verdict... next thing ya know I'm gunna have to break out a mirror and a razor blade to divide up my 10mg SD caps.
    Just stick a cap in your bung hole for sustained release and maximum absorption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilzekester View Post
    Drop your wierd obsession with me--it's unbecoming. However, I digress.
    I have no obsession. "Unbecoming?" "Get off my d1ck" and your BS private message kind of gets my attention...not in a good way.

    So, in line with the topic of discussion within this thread, answer the question.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Here is some food for thought for you and your discussion. Suppose single dose is better. Would I dose before or after my workout and why or why not?
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  15. good question David.

  16. No one can answer that question dunn, is like asking how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

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    i'd say before, at least 30-60 min before. Solely because in that way you are guaranteed having the compound in your system for whatever androgenic effects it has.

    Figure either you are shut down with minimal natural testosterone so the compound is your only androgen or you are running testosterone alongside and then still the two would be additive.
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    Just for discussion sake:

    When does the "anabolism" of a workout actually take place? Post workout, during recovery(?).

    When does the "anabolism" of anabolics actually take place? We know they increase nutrient/protein synthesis. Again...post workout, during recovery(?).

    Some have suggested that dosing it after your workout would be the most "anabolic/anabolism" window as that is when the process of recovery is and where and when nutrient/protein synthesis would be most beneficial.

    Some have suggested that dosing it before your workout would be the most "advantageous" window as it can increase aggression (androgenic) and in turn increase perfromance. It does not necessarily negate the nutrient/protein synthesis but imagine it is diminished depending upon the half-life and how soon and much you can eat after workouts.

    I have my opinion or preference but thought I would toss this out there.
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    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    i'd say before, at least 30-60 min before. Solely because in that way you are guaranteed having the compound in your system for whatever androgenic effects it has.

    Figure either you are shut down with minimal natural testosterone so the compound is your only androgen or you are running testosterone alongside and then still the two would be additive.
    so basically if your doin SD at 20mgs(or whatever your dosing) you would take it all at once 30-60min before your session, and on off days split it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    so basically if your doin SD at 20mgs(or whatever your dosing) you would take it all at once 30-60min before your session, and on off days split it..
    if you are running a test base or on TRT i wouldn't bother splitting it off days either.
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  21. @David, post workout ,ok. but how bout off days? spilt dose or all at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    When does the "anabolism" of a workout actually take place? Post workout, during recovery(?).

    When does the "anabolism" of anabolics actually take place? We know they increase nutrient/protein synthesis. Again...post workout, during recovery(?).

    Some have suggested that dosing it after your workout would be the most "anabolic/anabolism" window as that is when the process of recovery is and where and when nutrient/protein synthesis would be most beneficial.
    Kind of obviously, the anabolism of a workout has to start sometime after the workout its a little iffy from what I recall reading but the primary natural anabolism is highest over the following 8 hours roughly but continues out still measurably to 24 or so.

    So the question i'd raise from this is whether you want to take advantage of the natural anabolism more by dosing a bit later than workout? Or would you think that taking a compound less than an hour before workout still has it at near peak by end of workout so you really heavily maximize that next 6-8. I'd think that the most valuable period for anabolism starts around 1 hour after workout ends and goes strong for a few hours after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    @David, post workout ,ok. but how bout off days? spilt dose or all at once.
    I don't have "answers" but my preference would be throughout the day simply because I am a fan of steady state levels.
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    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    I don't have "answers" but my preference would be throughout the day simply because I am a fan of steady state levels.
    yeaah I'm a fan of steady state levels too.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    the vague and simple answer is "it depends"
    Lol

  26. Anything taken orally could take roughly 30mins to an hour before it is absorbed. Just something to keep in mind. Personally I take one dose in the AM and the next dose either after my workout, or 12h after my first dose if its am off day. Keep in mind no matter what it is your body can only absorbs a certain amount of any compound at once. Which is a reason I like to spread out my dosages, reducing the risk of expulsion without absorption., instead of taking them all at once. I like the idea of steady therapeutic levels rather then taking the daily dose all at once. Just food for thought.
  27. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exian View Post
    Keep in mind no matter what it is your body can only absorbs a certain amount of any compound at once.
    sure but without knowing what that amount is, saying that is meaningless. it could be 2 grams for dbol, or 400mg for superdrol. platitudes don't really go anywhere towards scientific proofs.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    sure but without knowing what that amount is, saying that is meaningless. it could be 2 grams for dbol, or 400mg for superdrol. platitudes don't really go anywhere towards scientific proofs.
    That's right, but again, without knowing for sure, it may be better to err on the side of caution. also it's good to know how much your body can absorb, vs the drugs half life. Neither of which i know for sure. any oral drugs tend to have a longer half life then it's IV or IM counterpart. Also orals aren't absorbed untill 30mins-1hr after intake and oral absorption is a slow process.
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    If you are erring on the side of caution you wouldn't use untested pharmaceuticals sold as supplements
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    If you are erring on the side of caution you wouldn't use untested pharmaceuticals sold as supplements
    Good point^

  31. Haha. Well basically none of this stuff is tested, and neither are the UG research chems most people use for pct lol.

  32. Tested or untested!?!? Who gives a damn baby!? YOLO brothers! Lol!
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  33. If you're on an injectable all at once, taking the dose half of its half life before your workout (so peak levels are around your workout)

    Example 8 hr half life, take 2-4 hours pre-workout. Injectable a keep exo test high for its array of benifits while the surge of hormone X will come into play for best possible workouts.
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